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Clairsentince: Question on Modals
By RavenFireStoneWolf

Hey, I have a question on modals: Okay, I know I have clairaudience and Clairvoyance abilities,
but there is one modal I am struggling to understand... With this ability I feel I can step into
another person's shoes if that doesn't sound too freaky! Feel what they are feeling etc.:
understand why they do the things the way they do. It feels much wider than the other abilities.
For some reason it's the gift that I choose not to use since I started my path in earnest, yet when I
was younger I had no hesitation in using it, albeit at that time I used it for selfish, egotistical
reasons and I think that this is why I have chosen to close it down since I started walking a
spiritual path. Okay, closing it down is the wrong term as it feels like I can't close it down: but
perhaps, not make use of what the information I am given would be a better description. Is this
gift what people commonly call Clairsentience?

CinnamonMoon:
I would say yes, Clairsentience does let you step into the shoes of another, sensing their energy
signature, behavior etc. The 'good' way to use it if you aren't invited to do this by the individual,
is that in understanding them you can communicate in ways they will understand as well. You
can use it in discerning what you will or will not discuss or how you will or will not interact.
This ability is well-known among seasoned pathwalkers, Wolfie, it's how a teacher reads the
approaching student to determine their intentions, and seriousness. It is what the teacher sees in
that student that guides the teachings. While foundations are shared, each individual has specific
needs and directions to take to achieve their understanding and the information gained helps
tremendously when used it this way. It not only works in teacher-student relationships, but in all
relationships when it is used for the Higher Good and is a powerful tool. Perhaps you should
simply reconsider your intent to use it and adjust that giving yourself permission to do so. If the
ability is rising to your awareness at this time there is likely a good reason for it. Time to
incorporate it in a more suitable manner than you have in the past since your own understanding
has expanded I suspect.

Mari-la:
Wolfie, what you describe had scared me in my life when I was younger. I did not set stress into
this "to learn" it, it just happened. Today it is the way for example that I walk along a street and
"become" another person, what the person thinks, the feelings, their intentions - all this - I
"become" this person, seeing things through their eyes, feeling the wind on "their" skin, smelling
with "their" nose, getting when they are attracted by other people passing by and, and, and....
Also seeing the "original me"... *smile* Or when I am sitting in a hall listening to speakers, it
may happen that I become another one again... It just happens. I also get the not so funny things
with this. I found that it became stronger the more I would not be attached to the things I got. I
obersve what happens, though I "am" the other one - but no judging, no condemnation, nothing
as emotions that stay comes with this. It is just to get information.

As I am just in very deep transition processes I do not find the right words to describe the things
better. I just wanted to share - and that for me the "reason why" up to now is: to accept what
came/happened - and to give it to Creator - a kind of purifying process this way for what I
saw/got/experienced - in order also to offer this to the other person (as this was the "reason why"
this happened for me very often - to help to release, to accept without any judgement, to integrate
this way...) - as if the other person allowed this to happen for these reasons and more reasons...

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Cinn, “I would say yes, Clairsentience does let you step into the shoes of another, sensing their
energy signature, behavior etc.”

This is certainly how it has felt. But it is as if this gift also allows us to be made aware of the
information guides and helpers are bringing to a person that they may not be able or may not
wish to understand: as it feels much wider than just being able to sense their feelings and
behavior etc. It’s like tapping in to their world with all the influences they observe and
particularly those they don’t. Would this still fall under the description of clairsentience?
“The 'good' way to use it if you aren't invited to do this by the individual, is that in understanding
them you can communicate in ways they will understand as well.”

Yes and this I feel is part of that ability I was talking about in the last paragraph,: in being able to
bring forward something a person is not able or willing to understand. So I would definitely
agree with your statement! However, often that invitation is not there, yet I still get the
information. This I think is the hard part: I am fine with this ability if I am invited to use it, but it
comes forward when I am not: one of the places I have noticed it the most is when I attend the
Spiritualist Church. I can tell if the guest medium is working with helpful spirits or not pretty
much straight away and what their path is about.

“You can use it in discerning what you will or will not discuss or how you will or will not
interact.”

This is what has been very strong for me since Raven came: knowing how and when to interact
and what to share and what not to share, and with whom I can share and cannot: who will use the
information wisely and who will abuse the information. It feels like Raven has taken away that
“need” to share what I have sensed about a person: instead allowing me to observe without
commenting. There is also an element of knowing when to respond and how far that response
can be taken before it is time to withdraw and allow the person who I have responded to time to
absorb what I have said.

“This ability is well-known among seasoned pathwalkers, Wolfie,”

I assume though that this does not preclude someone being born with this ability because I would
say that I felt it very strong when I was a child, but that as I grew older and became more worldly
wise, I started to try and “unlearn” this ability and deliberately shut it down and even deny it:
until it became useful to me when I started work, but then I used it with the wrong intent, so I
shut it down again. I can understand that knowledge of it and how to use it comes with
experience and that would be why it is coming forward again as strong as it has done: as I learn
the right intent.

“…it's how a teacher reads the approaching student to determine their intentions, and seriousness.”

Okay as you know I have a deep aversion to the term teacher but I do understand what you are
saying here. I have found this ability very useful in the mundane and in my career in particular:
knowing when to trust someone and when to keep them at arm’s length: being able to walk in
their moccasins so to speak, I can discern how to interact with them or not as the case may be.
“It is what the teacher sees in that student that guides the teachings. While foundations are
shared, each individual has specific needs and directions to take to achieve their understanding
and the information gained helps tremendously when used it this way.”

…knowing how their experiences have affected them, it is easier to see how to guide them?
“It not only works in teacher-student relationships, but in all relationships when it is used for the
Higher Good and is a powerful tool.”

Yes, and I think that it is this power that has been what has scared me into not making use of the
ability until recently as it came forward strongly again. It's difficult, especially when the
information starts coming forward when I am not even focusing on a particular person or
situation. It sorta floors you until you realize what is going on: where all these influences are coming from!

“Perhaps you should simply reconsider your intent to use it and adjust that giving yourself
permission to do so.”

Yes, this is what I have been doing, particularly since I joined SL. However, even here I am still
wary, but I guess this is all part of learning to use the gift wisely.
“If the ability is rising to your awareness at this time there is likely a good reason for it. Time to
incorporate it in a more suitable manner than you have in the past since your own understanding
has expanded I suspect.”

Yes I say that my understanding has expanded. I think that, in spite of work being busy, this has
been one of the reasons why I have been so quiet on the boards, particularly since Raven came
forward, as Raven seems to have been teaching me about the responsibilities this medicine
carries, but also because this ability seems to link with Raven quite strongly. After my trip to
Ireland earlier in the year, and observing my mother’s family at close quarters, I am aware that
this ability and Raven medicine runs in my mother’s family: and that was a very interesting
situation!

Mari, I would agree with the way you described this as being the observer is how I would
describe it too as often when i get the information it is as if it is not meant to be used: at least not
right there and then: it is as if webs are being woven for later use...don't know if that is how it
feels to you?

Mari-la:
Wolfie, at first I did not know "why" this would happen.. Then I got that I was to be meant as a
kind of "filter" - filtering the things and not holding them, but just filtering them the way to pass
all on to Great Spirit. This way I was working as a kind of filter for what I got - if it was
indicated to do this.

It is similar to a healing technique I learned during the seminars how to accompany the dying
and dead. It is very subtle and I might not share it here the way to practice it - it comes from the
Buddhist tradition and it is called Tonglen. You can read it in appropriate words in the book
from Sogyal Rinpoche or in the book from Christine Longaker. It is about "in-healing" all pain
and suffering and to filter it through the eternal Light - and then to exhale this eternal light. It is
subtle and not to follow it this way I described it here, please... In the books it is described in a
way to do it, then. We learned it during the seminar to help the suffering... When there is no
"ego" in between - the filter will be a blessing...

This way I found that my "becoming" others, "being" them, has often a similar effect: to "filter"
things and this way to be a tool, a kind of filter...I hope that I could describe it in an
understandable way... My brain is no longer there - it is gone - deep transformations steps...

CinnamonMoon:
Wolfie~ “This is certainly how it has felt. But it is as if this gift also allows us to be made aware
of the information guides and helpers are bringing to a person that they may not be able or may
not wish to understand: as it feels much wider than just being able to sense their feelings and
behavior etc.”

It is wider, I was flying through and didn't have the time to go into aspects of it. Limited views
are limited by what we believe we can see in that sense. Obviously you're more open to the insight.
(Love that play on the word. *S*)

“It’s like tapping in to their world with all the influences they observe and particularly those they
don’t. Would this still fall under the description of clairsentience?”

Yes, it is tapping into their world. And yes, it is still clairsentience...you're using clear sensory
perception to "see" them for who they are. A caution here, however, is that what they are not
willing to see, or not ready to see cannot be forced upon them. You can present guidance to
perhaps nudge them (depending on if this is a student-teacher relationship that has been
established or not), but if there is no permission to do so you are not to interfere beyond that
point. Spirit and their own karmic journey of destiny are designed to bring the lessons to them
when they *are* ready to receive them either through a teacher or by experience. But you *can*
use that insight to discern your relationship to the individual and if it is appropriate for you to
pursue or not.

“Yes and this I feel is part of that ability I was talking about in the last paragraph,: in being able
to bring forward something a person is not able or willing to understand. So I would definitely
agree with your statement!”

The caution there then becomes a matter of discerning if they are open to further discussion or
not. If not then the matter has to be kept to yourself.

“However, often that invitation is not there, yet I still get the information. This I think is the hard
part: I am fine with this ability if I am invited to use it, but it comes forward when I am not: one
of the places I have noticed it the most is when I attend the Spiritualist Church. I can tell if the
guest medium is working with helpful spirits or not pretty much straight away and what their
path is about.”

In this instance the information you are being shown is for your own benefit. It's like Spirit is
whispering in your ear and telling you a secret so you aren't drawn into unsavory circumstances.
Perhaps you will use that insight to help others avoid traps too, or to drop hints to them rather, so
they can be at least aware there *may* be a trap being set and make up their own minds better.
But in such circumstances those hints must be like a feather falling to the floor, unattached to the
outcome, not forcing the issue, you let the feather fall and it's up to that person to pick it up and
examine it to see if they have use for it or not.

“This is what has been very strong for me since Raven came: knowing how and when to interact
and what to share and what not to share, and with whom I can share and cannot: who will use the
information wisely and who will abuse the information. It feels like Raven has taken away that
“need” to share what I have sensed about a person: instead allowing me to observe without
commenting.”

GOOD!

“There is also an element of knowing when to respond and how far that response can be taken
before it is time to withdraw and allow the person who I have responded to time to absorb what I have said.”

Excellent. And in this way you are also learning Wolf Medicine...how to teach.
“I assume though that this does not preclude someone being born with this ability because I
would say that I felt it very strong when I was a child, but that as I grew older and became more
worldly wise, I started to try and “unlearn” this ability and deliberately shut it down and even
deny it: until it became useful to me when I started work, but then I used it with the wrong intent,
so I shut it down again.”

No, of course it doesn't preclude being born with this ability. But the seasoned pathwalker is
going to know how to use it and would have no need to shut it down. When we are learning by
trial and error, by experience, when we make mistakes or feel ourselves heading in a wrong
direction with our gifts then it's a normal reaction, wanting to do the right thing, to shut the door
on them. In these cases we tend to need other lessons along the way before we re-open the door,
dust them off, and take them out into use again. So that's a natural reaction. You've grown a lot
since then Wolfie, and discernments are there that weren't before so now it's time to reapply your
ability and use it in a wiser (more experienced perception) manner.

“I can understand that knowledge of it and how to use it comes with experience and that would
be why it is coming forward again as strong as it has done: as I learn the right intent.”

Exactly!

“Okay as you know I have a deep aversion to the term teacher but I do understand what you are saying here.”

Yes, and that aversion may well be part of this lesson for yourself. Teaching is not a bad thing,
it's not power over another or dogmatic force-feeding anyone. I'm not sure what your aversion
stems from but I can tell you that whatever negative connotations you have about it, that's the
issue you have with yourself and how you will present your own knowledge...the right way for
*you* to present it is hidden in that aversion. Teaching itself is an honorable path, the world
needs teachers to guide those without experience. Without teachers we'd be bumping into lessons
and chaos all over the place. They bring order to the lessons and clarity to the methods. If there is
a negative view of teachers it's generally situated around the abuse of authority...the selfish gain
of the individual needing to feed an ego as opposed to one that is serving with their knowledge.
So it's a balanced perspective that will ease your discomfort there. If I may use Earthwalker as an
example here, she had an aversion to the words: 'Magic' and 'Power' until she balanced her
acceptance of them with the 'essence of intent' and then she found her peace. I would encourage
you to consider 'essence of intent' as a source of balance for yourself in regard to one who is a
teacher.

“I have found this ability very useful in the mundane and in my career in particular: knowing
when to trust someone and when to keep them at arm’s length: being able to walk in their
moccasins so to speak, I can discern how to interact with them or not as the case may be.”
Then you are using it correctly there, what makes you hesitant to use it that same way elsewhere?
(Rhetorical question).

“…knowing how their experiences have affected them, it is easier to see how to guide them?”
Of course.

“Yes, and I think that it is this power that has been what has scared me into not making use of the
ability until recently as it came forward strongly again. It's difficult, especially when the
information starts coming forward when I am not even focusing on a particular person or
situation. It sorta floors you until you realize what is going on: where all these influences are
coming from!”

I think that's a natural reaction. Sort of a 'Whoa! My Stars! Now what do I do with this?" thingy.
But it's coming forward again now because it is time for you to jiggle it into your own ways and
use it properly. It's not there to judge others, it's there to discern your relationship with them.
Their lessons are their own, but it lets you see where they're at. IF the individual comes to you
'asking' for help the in-sight shifts, it lets you see how you can help them, what lessons they are
passing through and what they are open to, or need to open to. So then you can present what you
see in an appropriate manner and genuinely, gently, guide them through them. That may be all
you're to do or it may lead to a long-term relationship of study together. As you share these
lesson, you're going to grow from the experience too. Perhaps this is how you will come to terms
with the 'teacher' within you? To see that teaching is an opportunity and also places you in the
role of the student. As a student presents challenges, asks questions, and makes us dig for the
answers, we grow, we stretch, and we delve into our own resources to answer them. It's just
sharing knowledge, assets, and resources at our disposal. That's not a bad thing. *Soft smile*
“Yes, this is what I have been doing, particularly since I joined SL. However, even here I am still
wary, but I guess this is all part of learning to use the gift wisely.”

*Soft smile again* Wary is not a bad thing, it's a sign of caution to see clearly. Remember when
we were going through all that upheaval here last year? You saw me standing in the center of the
Fire, and there was a sense that I was there for my own intentions, when in fact I was standing in
the center of the Fire, yes, but it was my passion to stand there with Spirit, not to replace Spirit
with ego. What you saw was in that sense correct, I was in the line of Fire, but why I was
there...that you didn't understand. You stopped there. You judged it rather than looked beyond
the image to see the purpose of that stance at the time. Again, part of your lesson was to look
beyond, to use this ability to see into matters more clearly. Had you gone on to 'watching' and
into it more you'd have seen that. Instead it became a lesson in preconceived notions. Our
discussions/debates on the matter went nowhere because you'd closed the door on what I was
saying to you at the time. I use this as an example as it's me I can relate to your situation here.
Today, reopening this door, reflecting back on those circumstances, perhaps you can see where
you limited yourself and look deeper to see me holding Spirit's hand back then and holding on
very tightly. Spirit was the Fire itself and I'd stood in the heart of that Flame back then. It had to
consume me so that I could consume it. You see?

“Yes I say that my understanding has expanded. I think that, in spite of work being busy, this has
been one of the reasons why I have been so quiet on the boards, particularly since Raven came
forward, as Raven seems to have been teaching me about the responsibilities this medicine
carries, but also because this ability seems to link with Raven quite strongly.”

Raven 'carries the magic' to and from...to you, and from you to serve your needs. Naturally there
would be the linkage there. And being busy with work, distracted in that sense, the magic itself
had time to seep in, a quiet lesson. If you look at the circumstances of the work, you were
focused there and so that's where the lesson manifested. You 'saw' who was who, what they were
doing, the dynamics of the inter-relationships of key players and what was and wasn't happening.
The in-sight served your needs to cope with those relationships. Lesson learned.

Now assimilation has come...lessons, when we need them, appear...in a spiritual arena or in the
mundane sense of an experience that exposes us to them through trial and error. They flow both
ways...mundane into spiritual understanding, spiritual understanding into the mundane. It's all
One. So your lesson happened on the work site because that's where your attention needed to be
focused. You still did the work you needed to do, but the in-sight helped you get through it,
helped you cope with the challenges, helped you see where you could or couldn't influence
things and adapt. Now that this has passed you are able to assimilate that experience, the use of
your abilities in that situation, and see where it will serve you on many levels in the future. Once
that assimilation process concludes you'll be using this everywhere.

“After my trip to Ireland earlier in the year, and observing my mother’s family at close quarters,
I am aware that this ability and Raven medicine runs in my mother’s family: and that was a very
interesting situation!”

I'm not surprised by this insight at all, simply because there are Totems that work on that
level...family Totems. For my family it's Elephant, and it appears that your family has
Raven...sort of an all-encompassing Totem and that influence will be strong there. This doesn't
mean that Raven won't work with you personally, it simply means that as a group it is a Chief
Totem. There are Totems for individuals, families, clans, tribes, cities, countries, on and
on...different levels as those levels need guidance too.

Wisowl:
Interesting question Wolfie and interesting answers. Yup .. I am one of "them" too. LOL I have
never set down with all my own abilities though and analyzed them as you do. I just lived with
them all. I guess, I shut some of my abilities off during my twenties ... and only used some of
them occasionally when necessary. .... on the other hand they might have been shut down for me
somehow. I was not an religious person and spirituality was an unknown word for me. Maybe
that is the reason why I didn't use all my abilities thoroughly. Thanks for having brought that
subject up, Wolfie.

Mari-la:
Hi Cinn, what you shared about what you did and what happened last year with you (the
"standing in the center of the fire" topic) - as you made this public here how you saw this last
year I want to share that this for me was different what I got. What had happened as you describe
it seemed to circle around "you" - as if all what was coming up last year was around "you" - but
what had happened as what I got on the forum level was circling around more than "you". What I
got and get is that there was much more than "you" what was going on - many more "centers"...
Maybe you refer to a very private topic between you and Wolfie that was not in the public before
- then it might be okay (about the sharing it in the public see below). But for me it was not "you"
in the center last year - it was more than "you"... For me it was more than "you" - and this way I
accepted and integrated all what happened. This way it is balanced.

I am also a bit astonished about what you shared how you saw Wolfie and his status of
consciousness last year - as for me this would not be shared in the public but on a private level...
The "why" I would not share such things in the public has to do with the "becoming someone
else" - the respecting the privacy of the other one. At least I would have asked the other one
first... It may be that people who become the same person are sharing different things - and this
shows for me that the intent to become someone else may be different. What I was getting when
diving back into the situation last year - I would not have talked about Wolfie this way in the
public - as what I get it would be private...

I stepped back for some time when I felt that the circle was getting narrow and more narrow - as
in fact for me there was wide room needed as it were more people to be honored in their own
circles and centers. There were many, many centers to be looked at. I was to come back when the
opening to more centers happened step by step and slowly again - when the other centers were
seen in their Beauty and their taking care and their development... Also Wolfie - as I was allowed
to see his Beauty also last year - and he was shining... If all last year was about "you" in fact -
then what I get is not balanced the way it had happened. When it was about more than you - then
it feels balanced what happened...

I also want to say in general (not personal to you) coming back to the main topic that when I
"become" someone else that I get information when to call other people in the circle of what I
got and when not. This way the integrity of others is taken care of - and no one is stepped over.
This stepping over might happen - when we only see ourselves in the center and not the centers
of the others, too. I am not to "judge" about the centers of the others. With what I get when
becoming others is to honor their center and not to "judge" also not the way to say that "they
judged" (this is an example from your answer to Wolfie; just as an example quoted here). This
way it is intersting to see how "becoming others" leads to different "results", but that each one
has his/her own way and reason to become other people...

Just what I felt share a bit... It is what I got and it is meant without emotions (not to be
misunderstood)...

CinnamonMoon:
Marila~ Thank you for expressing your feelings. I feel you've mistaken my intent once again
however. How you see the comments I made to Wolfie is from an uninformed position since I was
referring to discussions that took place between he and I. I was not putting him down or mocking
him in anyway, I was commending the growth he's achieved and pointing something out through
an experience between he and I. A point of reference if you will. Much of that happened publicly
and there is nothing to hide from in my opinion. I was speaking for myself there.

Secondly, it was not all about me by any means, but the portion of our discussion was relative to
that aspect. I used myself as an example, and I see nothing wrong with sharing that. I'm who I
am, and my intent is not to embarrass anyone, least of all Wolfie. He knows I consider him my
friend and that I'm trying to help explain something, not air differences. Those differences were a
lesson for both of us and a valid example. It is true, we don't always see the full scope of
something, sometimes there's a whole lot more to it and we're shown what is relative to us at the
time. Now that he's had further experiences of his own the scope of that circumstance can be
expanded. The truth to this is that we were all involved, and we all know that.

Mari-la:
Hello Cinn, thank you for the information you shared. I had followed the discussion last year and
I did not remember that what you referred to was taking place in the public. It may be that I
missed this part of the discussion - and as you write that what you are referring to was taking
place in the public, then this is one part. Another and very important aspect for me in my work
is: For me a public statement about how a person (here Wolfie) had developed and to give a kind
of public evaluation of how he proceeded or progressed or developed is too private and only
shared after having got a permission to do so...

It was interesting for me to read that you say, that when you have felt "judged" by him last year,
that in that time he was not as developed as he is today, when no longer he is "judging" you. This
might be different between us, Cinn. For me when I get information about people or when I
"become" them I am not getting things to "state" whether they are "more or less" developed - as
this is of no practical help, but I am getting practical things to offer or things to do (as I described
in my posts above). If the "contract" between Wolfie and you is this way that it includes these
things, then all is fine - and this was new for me and interesting to read, as this way of working is
different than the way I get work to do. This is what I wrote in my last post - that I find it very
interesting (without judging, as there can be no judging), how different the results are when
people "become" other people or when they get something about other people. In this case you
seem to have got more about Wolfie as he had got about you, you say that you saw the whole
situation and that Wolfie was not getting the overview as you hold/held it - and you are able to
state a development he made. As this is not the way things come to me (this kind of getting
statements or "judgments about the state of others"), I found it very interesting (again no
emotions, just to describe it here).

Yes, we all were involved last year, this is what I got, too... I understand this part now, how you
meant this. Thank you again, Cinn, for your information - and please may you not take what I
wrote as "offends" but as questions and getting how different the results are (as I wrote above)
when we get things about others and which reason for... Sometimes things come in a very "clear"
speech to me (and not very emotional" for me to share... But it is not to be read with the
emotional eye the way that it is meant as "cold"...) you referred to. Therefore I was feeling that it
was something personal. If it is for the public and if it was in the public, then it might be okay for
the open sharing here. I was seeing it in a more general aspect, that I am for my part very careful
what to share in the public, also to "valuate" which steps people made and how "dump."

CinnamonMoon:
Marila, Thank you for stating your views. I'm a bit more open than what you are suggesting is
appropriate for you though. It may be this way for you, and I come from different perspectives
there. To better understand me, please consider that Spirit Lodge is a site dedicated to helping
people find their way to enlightenment and understanding so they can evolve spiritually. As the
founder I'm here to help point out that growth or areas that can be improved upon when I see
them, my role is one of speaking up when and where I see the need. Therefore, being the purpose
is constructive, it feels very appropriate to address issues that arise and I simply don't see them
as too private for the forums. It feels very important to me to be able to freely discuss things of
this nature. If we kept everything personal there would be no shared personal experiences,
nothing to base principles on.

The conversation I referenced between Wolfie and I was private and parts of it spilled into other
board discussions too. Since it related to me, and to Wolfie, it was suited to the discussion here.
Learning to turn judgement into discernment is just a jiggle but it's a very important lesson for
anyone. Wolfie has had tremendous growth this past year with expanding his perceptions as a
result. That example was meant to help him further see his own progress and how experience
can bring the clarity through, nothing more. Please know that my words to members are meant
to help, not hurt. It's obvious your comments are more restrictive than mine and that's fine. It's
your way, and what makes us each unique. From where I sit you just did the same thing with me.
I find nothing wrong with that at all. It brought clarity to the matter and hopefully has put your
own concerns to rest.

Mari-la:
Hello Cinn, for these words quoted below I get not inner pictures... Could you please clarify this,
if it is allowed?

“From where I sit you just did the same thing with me.”

I also wanted to say that what I wrote about Wolfie is not to put him into the center of a kind of
"fight" for him (hey, Wolfie - I hope you know... (((hugs))) ), but to get the difference between
the way we work, you and me, Cinn... For me on the content level Wolfie, he (you) will speak
for himself (yourself)... It is about the practicing level how to work with gifts that come to us -
here to become others and to get things from others. Here I see differences and I was not getting
why you acted the way you did, Cinn...Many greetings to you, Cinn... And thank you again for
your openness in answering.

I am not sure whether it explains things - but my task is to live with the duality here in this
world. Coming from the void, the endless void, this life here is not be understood and learned to
be integrated by me. Therefore I ask a lot, I question a lot - and the non-judging, accepting aspect
is my basis, may be to the extend to not saying yes or no - as this is the void, no yes or no - just
being... Both ways - to come from the full Basket of things - and to come from the void
(emptiness) - both paths are okay - but both require different learning steps. Therefore also many
aspects to work seem to be 180 degrees contrary for yours, Cinn...

CinnamonMoon:
I'm afraid I am not understanding you any better than you're understanding me. By asking your
questions of me it appeared no different (in my eyes) than me addressing things to Wolfie. You
asked, I answered. What is appropriate for me does not sit well with you, but it is my way. I don't
know what else I can say about it. As to the rest of your statement here, I'm afraid you lost me
again and I'm concerned that we are hijacking this thread to discuss our ability to communicate.
Maybe we should start another on this subject?

Mari-la:
Hi Cinn, no need to do so... If the experience of what I have and what you have cannot be shared,
then we will have to stop at this point, as we cannot go deeper with each other. I am with other
forums to discuss these things there - it is another frame there, no need to explain these things
too much and we do not get lost with each other... I just tried it here because of this special focus
as I was trying to get to know our different way of working and the different results when we
both (you and me) "become another person"... I tried to get the differences or the common
things. But we will have to stop at this point, this is the feeling - yes, it is - as the experience in
many aspects is not there to understand what the other one experienced...I am a lot with these
topics at other forums and therefore, as I said, no "need" to stress on this topic here and to let it
be in freedom now...

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Cinn, My apologies for taking this topic a little off course by a thoughtless off the cuff remark. I
will come back to the main body of your reply when I have had a chance to read it in full. You
have raised some valid points and questions, which I do want to share my thoughts on, so I've
printed the post out: for some reason I can't read long posts on the puter: sends my eyes dotty!
But I just wanted to clarify that my aversion is principally to me being called teacher. For me it
seems too final, although I understand what you are saying about students teaching the teacher.
I think it must be a Libran need to balance out the scales thing. Given everything that is going on
right now, and the new totem that is coming forward, I cannot help feel that this idea of "finality"
is the important thing here: in a life, death and rebirth context. Lots of things are spinning
around right now to unravel the life I have led the last nine years ready for the new to come
forward: the end of a nine year lesson with lots of influences coming to the fore again that were
previously "dead": I've known for some time now that September was going to be a rebirth and it
was in many ways and I think that the trip to Florence really kick-started that rebirth, just as the
trip to Orkney started the process of death. Hmmm!

Mari, I think I can understand your comments but I need a little time to really get my head
around them properly and I am going to need to sleep on them! I'd like to look at them in the
context of Clairsentience, as for this discussion to come up here, it must be relevant. In some
respects I cannot help feel that this ability is our teacher, as it teaches us about humanity in
general and about our Universe:, but that we don’t always listen and allow this ability to die: but
I need a little time to understand this! I think, from my perspective and for my learning, you
needed to join this discussion because of your work with the dead and dying.

A general comment: I'd like to explore these aspects in a little more detail with respect to
Clairsentience and the Ancestors and if we feel that such an ability helps with the death process
and if this ability could be passed on through the generations in the death process? I am verging
on other topics here about guides and helpers, past lives and soul-retrieval, but somehow this
seems linked to Clairsentience for me somehow. As I said above, I know that I had this ability
when I was younger, but that I closed it down: made it die. Yet it resurfaced (was reborn) when I
was in my late teens/early twenties and then died again when I was in my late 20's and appears
to be being reborn again now: at least in my mundane consciousness! I doubt it actually dies in
our spirit consciousness!

CinnamonMoon:
Wolfie~I don't think anything you said was thoughtless or off the cuff. It's all real stuff you're
dealing with and valid. You certainly don't owe me an apology for anything. I look forward to
your next post when you have the time.

“But I just wanted to clarify that my aversion is principally to me being called teacher. For me it
seems too final, although I understand what you are saying about students teaching the teacher. I
think it must be a Libran need to balance out the scales thing.”

Absolutely, but I don't know if that's a comment given to the energy of the month or me being a
Libra! LOL

“Given everything that is going on right now, and the new totem that is coming forward, I cannot
help feel that this idea of "finality" is the important thing here: in a life, death and rebirth context.
Lots of things are spinning around right now to unravel the life I have led the last nine years
ready for the new to come forward: the end of a nine year lesson with lots of influences coming
to the fore again that were previously "dead": I've known for some time now that September was
going to be a rebirth and it was in many ways and I think that the trip to Florence really kickstarted
that rebirth, just as the trip to Orkney started the process of death. Hmmm!”

We go through the cycle of rebirth time and time again so the things you're saying here are also
on target. Again, I look forward to what you are willing to share when you come back to the
thread.

“I'd like to explore these aspects in a little more detail with respect to Clairsentience and the
Ancestors and if we feel that such an ability helps with the death process and if this ability could
be passed on through the generations in the death process? I am verging on other topics here
about guides and helpers, past lives and soul-retrieval, but somehow this seems linked to
Clairsentience for me somehow.”

Well, as you know you're welcome to start as many threads as you like. Ha! The more the
merrier. But yes, I feel clairsentience is applicable in those arenas. Clairsentience is merely a
term that reflects our clear sensory perceptions and generally refers to more than one sense being
actively participating in the experience. How that's applied is up to us, but often, since we tend to
have that ability we use it everywhere, it's a part of us. Anyway, I think your thoughts will be
very interesting.

“As I said above, I know that I had this ability when I was younger, but that I closed it down:
made it die. Yet it resurfaced (was reborn) when I was in my late teens/early twenties and then
died again when I was in my late 20's and appears to be being reborn again now: at least in my
mundane consciousness! I doubt it actually dies in our spirit consciousness!”

When we learn things that take us to a new level the old foundations often die in the sense that
they too are reborn with a new level of awareness. That too cycles. And you're right, the spiritual
is eternal. It's the human part of our nature that needs to come to terms with these things and step
into union with the spirit. Often that's far easier said than done.

Wolfie, our abilities are with us always, we shut down on them when we're unprepared for them
for whatever reason. But they do resurface to test us into that acceptance. They're ours to use, we
need to learn to embrace them. It's coming to you again now because of your experiences,
because it is time to do just that...embrace it, observe it, hone it, and then bring it out into your
life on other levels. But before you can wield it you have to get comfortable with it. I believe
that's what you're trying to do here. Place it and validate that placement for yourself...finding
your permission. I'll be watching for you here.

Mari-la:
Hi (((Wolfie))), oh, what I feel to share might not be easy to understand, as the "reference point"
I refer to is not necessarily understood by many people. I felt this when sharing with Cinn - and
therefore the reason why and how I work with this "becoming another person" is not easy to
explain here. It may lead to misunderstandings as my reference point is not understood may be
because of the experience is missing by others (as I may miss experiences others made), and one
cannot understand this ("my") reference point with the brain, but only by experience.

My "approach" to the work with "becoming another person", also during the dying process and
with the things offered there, therefore might be totally different than what others (like Cinn)
offer here. But to explain "my" approach in words, to explain "my" reference point, where all
work comes from for me, this is what can only be understood by experience and what cannot be
explained really good in words, as this leads to misunderstandings. How to explain a life lived
from the endless void to those, who do not have the experience of the endless void? This endless
void is my "reference point" - and to explain things based on this endless void - this might lead to
*hmmmmm* misunderstandings, as it is only by experience to share - this is the common ground,
that will make things clear in its area of the void...

Therefore, to give this topic here room for common ground as it is shared here by Cinn and
others, I for now will not post, as my "ground" (reference point) is different than those of others
here. You saw it in the conversation with Cinn, how things lead to nowhere in the end but to try
to explain the different reference points we come from - maybe we will have to wait to share
things, till our experiences will be at least similar to understand... I have difficulties to explain
my ground I am standing on (*giggle* - to say this about the void, that the void is a ground...
*hehe*)...

I just want to offer this - how it is the way my work that comes to me: When working with death
and dying I am to open up and to hold the endless void - no emotions, no grasping, nothing - but
endless void - where all what was grasping in the earth walk can be left behind - more easily, the
way it has to be and the way it can be hold by the individual... Also in healing work I am to open
up and to offer the endless void - and then when people step into it (they leave their body during
work very often) - in the void and in the layers around the void the healing takes place. Bathing
in the void (no-duality) brings harmony to the being - and this is brought back, then, when
people come back into their body after the healing session. During death and dying - to open up
to endless no-duality, the void is to open up and to offer this - to hold this space - to allow to
travel on with no grasping...I cannot find other words now, but this is what is for me to do -
coming from my daily reference point - the void...

Dragon:
Wolfie, I am glad you brought this up. This is something I have done all my life. It is like
breathing to me. I never feared it though, still don't. It’s just natural for me I guess. I just had to
learn early on that no adults could handle my "off the cuff" observations of others, perfect
strangers the best and then later to find out I was 100% right. It seemed to make them mad. And I
have found out it still makes pretty much everyone mad LOL.

I have brought up and described this ability several times here at SL in the past, I am a bit
confused how come no one told me the name, it would have been nice to have had some
guidance and confirmation on this. Unless of course someone did and I didn't see it or the thread
just "died".

For me I love having this gift...I didn't really think about using it to "You can use it in discerning
what you will or will not discuss or how you will or will not interact."

I just felt what I felt, always got flashes of them in my mind of how they live, like pictures of
them talking to someone, doing the dishes or what makes them mad and just would know who
they are, what kind of person they are and I would interact accordingly. But it wasn't until I read
this thread that I realized that I do just that. Also, I have done this mostly with people I don't
know that are just walking by me, or standing near me, that I am not interacting with at all. I just
get a complete and clear profile.

This had become so natural to me for so long....that I can even tell what someone is all about just
by their features. Now I am sure I am all alone in that one lol. But it’s always something that
fascinated me, do some kind of genetics come into play here? Almost a pre-destined/designated
blueprint? The way their eyes or chin are shaped, their voices, the way they prefer to cut their
hair...even that is the same. I seem to be the only one that notices this stuff. Or maybe the life
they have or chosen to have creates the way their features develop? I just don't know.

I also know when someone is pregnant and lots of times before they do, I see a glow/aurora that
surrounds just their faces. I have never been wrong.

I fight the ability to sense death or tell people what their greatest fears or their worst experience
was. I lost friends, made enemies and got avoided like the plague by others. I don't like it, I never
will, it’s too negative. I can tell someone exactly what could happen if they did "this, that or the
other" always thinking it was just common sense until I started seeing..... a lot .... that most
people couldn't do this, or just wasn't.

So why can’t I get the right lottery numbers?

Feels good to be open about all this. Even though I am pretty sure no one else will get the
"extras" I described...LOL...

My lesson in it all was not to be judgmental. To not just decide because of these insights that
they are set in stone and maybe I am given this ability to open my eyes as well as their own.
Through all of you, in many different forms, I have had many changes in my perspectives, and
by changing those "I" changed.

All of us are capable of changing even a perfect strangers perspective, and that can start a
domino effect. We probably will never know about it but you can bet it happens.

So thanks again Wolfie for sharing this....I feel lighter and even clearer.
You always manage to make me think about things I ignore, go along with or have repressed.
Even though you don't know it most of the time, sorry my friend but, Teacher you be...LOL ...

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Dragon, No wonder my Wolf was laughing at me on the way home: you've used my favorite word
I guess we are all each other's teachers and all each other's students: you have said a couple of
things there that have helped me comprehend something my Wolf was saying to me last night and
on the drive home tonight.

I have been writing down my thoughts on this and will put it in a post: but given Brevity 101 is
not my strong point, it’s a bit of a book, so much so I ran out of time to finish it tonight (well I
was home from work real late) and I need to finish it tomorrow night.

But thanks for your post: it helped me get my thoughts on this subject down into some kind of
semblance of orderliness!

2CrowWoman:
“I guess we are all each other's teachers and all each other's students.”
Yep!

Dragon:
That’s great Wolfie, I look forward to reading it all. Novel length or not LOL.

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Hey
Well I tried to sit down and pull a lot of threads together here: different things that have been
pertinent over the last couple of years that all seem to be coming together in this one topic. I
decided to ask my Wolf about this subject. He was highly amused on the long drive home from
work one night this week: finishing late the motorway was empty and I could saunter along at a
nice steady "thinking" speed.

Of late I have been intrigued by biblical legends and particularly the story of Jesus. My reading
seemed to suggest that biblical stories did not speak of extra-mental or extra-terrestial events,
people and places: that these things were myths created by people failing to decipher older coded
events or texts correctly or worse still, deliberately misconstruing the texts. This brought me to
the conclusion that if we strip away the myths, and dig for truth we can find logical reasoning in
the coded texts.

My Wolf brought this to my attention with regards to this topic, and the key phrase seemed to be
“stripping away”. It is said that a spiritual journey is a Quest to unify our mundane existence
with our spiritual “beingness”. As our chat progressed, I was asked to compare the experiences
we have been discussing here with the story of Jesus with particular emphasis on the book I am
reading at the moment which is discussing the formation of Christian doctrine from the period
directly after the death of Jesus to the Renaissance and the philosophical arguments as to the
nature of Jesus and the Trinity.

We often talk here about duality: our spiritual nature and our physical nature: as if some kind of
“schism” is occurring within our “being” and that a spiritual path is a means to rectify that
situation and bring us back to Oneness: what if the position was, in part, the other way around?
What if we first had to strip away all that linkages before we could find out true “beingness”?
When I think about the ability we are discussing here, I cannot feel that this “schism” is all
around us. Through this ability I sense that everything is connected and that it is through this
“connection” that we are able to discern another aspect of this connected “Oneness” i.e. another
person. But what if, through this connection, we sense that we are separate from external
consciousnesses and this really was not the case?

Our eyes and hand work together to allow us to pick an object up despite the fact that our hand
and our eye are composed of very different cells. Why then should our consciousness not be able
to expand beyond our physical being to understand another aspect of consciousness i.e. another
human being? OK, the hand and eye have a central processing unit and a system to relay the
messages to direct the two. Yet it has been proven to human consciousness that there are energy
forces within our Universe that exist outwith human consciousness. Scientists are aware for
instance that there is some kind of medium which they do not fully understand which they have
named “Dark Matter”. Thus the two components necessary for a “connectedness” between
material substances: an energy force and a medium of transmission are potentially available. The
fact that Human Consciousness cannot yet explain these components rationally should not
necessarily mean that such forces do not exist.

One of the early doctrinal arguments in the Trinity debate led to the conclusion that all three
persons of the Trinity were born in the man named Jesus. This argument was dismissed as
impossible. But in relation to this discussion and the concept of All That Is, why should this not
be the case? I certainly feel that the ability I have been discussing is one that allows one to sense
“All That Is”. Creator is often considered to be some kind of energy force akin to human
intellect. In the pre-renaissance theological/philosophical debates the human intellect was
discussed in terms of the passive and active intellect, and from what I have read so far, the
passive intellect appears to be of the physical and the active intellect of the Spiritual: in other
words, in the early Christian doctrines, Creator was responsible for all intellectual processes,
with the physical body as the passive receptor of such processes, which reacted to the active
impulse to give the allusion of human consciousness having the ability to think for itself.

But let’s go look at this proposition in terms of Clairsentience. Supposing Creator was the active
intellect: the source of all thought: where does that leave mankind as a receptor of that thought
process and how is it transmitted? As we have already discussed in terms of the hand and eye, an
intermediary is needed as a means of transporting that impulse. To me this is where the
individuated spiritual body would come in. In the cardiovascular system, nutrients and waste
products are transferred from one aspect of the system to another by means of Osmosis (one
definition of which is: A gradual, often unconscious process of assimilation or absorption
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition from
Dictionary.com) : a means exists within the human body whereby one substance is infiltrated by
another. Why could such a process not exist between Creator and an individuated Created energy
force and then from that individuated force to the physical body? For this to occur by a similar
process to osmosis, all three components would have to be in contact. However that contact
occurred, the individuated spiritual body would be the link. But it could be argued that Creator is
therefore born within every one of us and was born within the man named Jesus. In this sense the
Jesus Legends is not the story of a particular special man, but the story of all mankind.

If this is the case, and given that Creator is omnipotent, then every one of us has the ability to
connect with All That Is, as on some level our intellect is omnipotent: it can conceive of all
things. In this case Clairsentient abilities are an ability that every Human being has. This, it has
been postulated, is an ability that Creator reserved for mankind: as Creator “created mankind in
his image”. This is one of the concepts of the bible that I believe has been purposefully
misconstrued (by the myth of Creator being an old man with a long white beard) to deflect from
its true meaning when it was written: which I believe to be mean that Creator is Pure Thought
and that mankind was created in Creator’s image: of having Pure Thought as an ability.

Aristotle was one of the first to set down categories of “things” and in his philosophy the fact
that an individual man existed, so mankind existed. If I understand Aristotle’s categories
correctly, Man would be a species, the substance of which would be Animal. Therefore if Man
exists, according to Aristotle, Animal must exist, as anything which is a subset of something
proves the next level higher in the chain exists. How then could Creator create Man (as a species
of Animal) in his own image, if Animal was not also created in Creator’s image i.e. with that
same ability to receive intellectual impulses? Herein is a possible explanation of why Totems are
important to us as an aspect of All That Is. But something really curious occurs if we look at
Aristotle’s philosophy in terms of the Ancestors: we know the Ancestor’s existed and that
without them, we would not exist, therefore if we believe that we exist, we have to believe our
parents, grandparents etc., etc. exist!

By taking Aristotle’s reasoning, and our empirical knowledge of what we know to be true, we
can begin to comprehend more abstract theories of what can and cannot exist. According to
Aristotle’s theories, if we have the ability to think, then something higher up the chain that thinks
must exist: the next level to us is Animal: so Animal must think, and so on. If we were to follow
Darwinian theory through the various levels of gestation, we go back through insects and sea
creatures through to plants through to simple life forms through to the first bacteria through rock
through to the dust that created our planet: all must have been able to receive intellectual
impulses: thus All Our Relations have that same impulse.

The early Christian fathers tried to suppress Aristotlian philosophy and it was the rekindling of
Aristotlian philosophy that eventually created the conditions for the Renaissance in Europe. Until
about the twelfth/thirteenth century, theology and philosophy were one subject, and scholarship
was the domain of the church, with students even being subject to ecclesiastical law as opposed
to imperial law. As the Church’s stranglehold on scholarship began to subside (largely as a result
of a minor schism between the bishop of Paris (the main center of Scholarship in Medieval
Europe) and the Pope) philosophy began to break off as a separate subject and the newly founded
universities of Paris and Oxford started to break free of the yolk of the church, although in the
end it was Cambridge that broke the mold. With this freeing of education from the church and
philosophy from theology, the conditions were set for a revival of Aristoltlism that led to a
revival of classicism in the arts that we call the Renaissance. But essentially the revival was
started by a revival in Aristotlianism. Somewhere along the way however, the revival lost its way
and we returned to the dark days of sixth century Augustinian theory which introduced concepts
such as original sin and similar negative self-image abounding theories religious institutions use
to impart fear and loathing into their adherents.

Returning to the Trinity and the biblical texts as interpreted by Rome. A number of people who I
have spoken to on the subject of Jesus all seem to cite St John’s gospel as being particularly
important in explaining the secrets in the codes hidden in the biblical texts. John’s gospel alone
gives us the text regarding the Logos and how it existed before anything else was created and
how Jesus was the Logos. As has recently been discussed in other threads, the translations of
biblical texts from the languages they were originally written in has not always rendered the
most complete interpretation. The Greek word Logos was translated into latin as “Word”, and
indeed in Greek “Logos” does mean word, but not Word alone: for it also means “Reason” as
Reason relates to Logic and to Intellect. OK it’s a little more complicated than that as Will is also
implicated: but if I start going into that here this post will become a trilogy rather than a book!
So for the purposes of this text, lets equate the ability to Reason with the product (the work or
impulse) of the Intellect. From the discussion above that ended in the ‘with Darwinian theory,’ it
is therefore implied that that impulse must be a part of All That Is. St John’s gospel is also the
only gospel that has passages which state that anyone could do as Jesus did: that ordinary men
could do as Jesus did. From what I’ve read, the close disciples of Jesus in Jerusalem did not
believe Jesus was any different than any other man.

So what was the primary substance or impulse that could be used as the medium for the
transmittal of that intellect that was the medium used to create our planet? Ok that’s the bit I
haven’t figured yet! Is it electricity, magnetism, electromagnetism or some form of semiconductive
material? Was it light, sound, “dark matter” or some other substance or impulse we
have not yet discovered? To me this is the big question, and I admit that it leaves a bit of a hole
in Aristolitan theory of Categories. So here I have to take a bit of leap of faith and assume that
somehow that impulse was transmitted! My guess is that that medium was Light, as light is
associated with what has become known as Sacred Geometry and the formation of solids from
energetic matter. My journey over the last twelve months leads me to believe that the ancients
knew things that we do not, and that our knowledge of things we believe we are very advanced
in today (i.e. physics, chemistry and mathematics) is actually very limited and has become so as
we have moved away from an earth-based existence.

You may think I am rambling (and I probably am: brevity 101 is not one of my strong points), so
I will cut to the chase as regards Clairsentience and why the above may be relevant.
I said earlier that there is a need to “strip away”. Supposing that each and every one of us does
have the ability to comprehend the thoughts feelings etc. of another directly. If one is not aware
of this phenomenon, one is surely going to attribute the cognizance of another to oneself? Thus
when someone is rude to us or in some other way hurts us, we might think that there is
something wrong within us that has made this person behave this way towards us? It is a proven
fact in physics that any energetic body will have an effect on another energetic body, and that
everything solid in our universe is an energetic body: it’s just that some things, the things we
describe as inanimate, pulsate at such a slow frequencies that we do regard them as energetic, but
the fact that they are here and have form dictates that they have energy, if for no other reason
than to make them solid: as without the energy to create attraction of their cells, an inanimate
object such as a rock would simply not be.

So, before we can start to examine our self, we need to strip away all those influences and
conditionings that are not of our own individuated spirit but have influenced our physical body.
This to me is start of the Journey back to our true Self. Our Master teacher in this respect is
Creator through our individuated Spirit. We summon the assistance of intermediaries, such as
totems and guides and even other humans, but, as described above, these to me now are just
another aspect of our Self: in other words, given that we have that propensity to active intellect
within us, we are our own teacher.

Despite the profusity of tasks different cells in our physical body perform, if we were actually to
analyze the different cells we would find that the human body is actually made up of only a
handful of cells types. In this it is clear that these cells agree to form together in different ways to
form aspects of different systems in our body. In the same way, different people must agree to
form different aspects of the systems of the species “mankind”. As such there are many different
purposes in the species. We might occasionally come across someone who we feel a close
connection or affinity with: it could be that this person has a similar purpose in the system to
ourselves or it could just be that we have experienced similar but never the same experiences that
seem to create a bond between us. But on the whole, we are all different. Therefore, only we can
decide what our service to the body of mankind will be, and in such a small group of the species
as we might find on a site like SL, or in any other group we are involved in, the chances of any
two people having the same purpose are pretty slim, even given synchronicity and the fact that
we gravitate to like souls. Thus, it would appear that no-one else can tell us what our purpose is
of how that purpose is to be carried out: as their purpose, although similar, may be different than
our own

If we are all invested with this aspect of Creation that is Creator, then each and every one of us
has similar “gifts”. It cannot be something that we lose or gain, it must be always present. It
cannot be something that we can develop or that fades as it would be omnipotent. Nor could it be
anything that could be taught or healed. It must be intrinsic in our “beingness”. If this is so, then
why are we not all aware of it?

I think this must be because we are not always aware of what we are and what we are not. Often
we talk of psychic abilities as gifts: as if they are something one person has that another does not
have. This seems to exclude large numbers of people, and despite the fact that this may not be
the aim, it seems to create a situation whereby people who wish to be, but are not fully, aware of
their “gifts”, or who are struggling with these “gifts” feel as if there is something amiss: that they
should be able to do the things that people who have mastered these “gifts” can do. Therein there
is a danger that inequality is created when it could just be that the time is not right for those
“gifts” to be understood. There may be lessons to be learnt before that understanding can come.
Ok the fact that people have choice and choose to come to a site like SL might imply that that
time has come and that they are actually to understand and even make use of their gifts, but is
that necessarily the case? What is the case with the “Needy Seeker?”

Over the last twelve months, I’ve considered the purpose of all psychic “gifts” including healing
abilities. The more I think about this, the more I come to the conclusion that the only person that
we can heal is ourselves: the healer acts as a facilitator to allow the healing energies to come
forward: but it is the person who seeks the healing that actually does the healing. Surely the same
must be said for a facilitator seeking to bring understanding of spiritual gifts?

It is often said that we “hold space” when acting in such a facilitator role. But where is that space
held: within the facilitator’s energy, within the person seeking understanding’s energy or out in
the Universe? The space must be held outwith both parties otherwise one party will be imposing
their Will on the other, and therefore the space must be held in the Universe. In which case, that
space is outwith any one individual, whilst at the same time, if we are all able to tap into that
omnipotency, it is within both parties. Therefore if one person can step into that energy field to
“help” another, are they not invading the other’s? For Clairsentience to work, the two energies
must be out-with the consciousness of both, otherwise the Will must be involved and the Will
cannot be separated from the individual. Here we come to the point about Intent. But even a
person who uses this gift wisely and with good intent to help another could still be at risk of
invading the space of another, even if invited to do so as such an act denies that person’s ability
to find the answers for themselves?

What if it is simply just not another’s time to heal? The facilitator may get that message through
Clairsentience abilities, but what if the facilitator misinterprets the message? The person
presenting themselves for learning may be in the process of difficult lessons that sometimes have
to be gone through alone: as in the case of what has been called “a dark night of the soul”. If that
has been ordained, then that surely is what must happen? Surely, no amount of good intent on the
part of the facilitator will make the other party’s journey any easier in that situation and attempts
to make the journey easier may just prolong the other party’s lesson? It is often said that no
lesson comes forward purely for the person presenting the lesson. The lesson such a person may
bring for a facilitator may one of release for the facilitator just as much as for the person who
needs to enter a dark night of the soul to find understanding? Again, that understanding may be
made clear to us by use of a gift such as Clairsentience. Are we not all incarnated to learn
lessons? If our gifts are to learn to differentiate our self and our own journey from other aspects
of Creation, what would be the purpose of being able to sense another’s journey from our self’s
point of view, other than for our own learning: to know when to release our desire for the person
presenting themselves for healing or learning?

Over the last couple of years, it seems to me that the facilitator role comes from sharing our own
experience and allowing other’s to take from it what they will/need. It is often said that we
should not concern ourselves either with where we ourselves or another is on their path, as
everyone is always right where they need to be: even a person who is going through a dark night
of the soul. If we accept that these gifts are innate in everyone, but that each person is to use a
different aspect of this gift to assist the whole, are we not in danger of potentially restricting the
use of these “gifts” if we do not allow someone to fall on their path if that is what must occur for
that person to find understanding? Ok some people may come to their path after an event that is
far from ideal: an event that has caused them great stress and they may not have the ability to
move beyond that event at the stage they are at. At that stage compassion and reassurance may
be needed to allow a person to find the way forward. At some stage that person will either find
the strength they need to move forward or they will enter that Dark Night. If we see someone in
that position, surely the kindest thing to do is to allow that Dark Night to occur? Our intent may
be impeccable and our willingness to serve unquestionable, but if we try and change a course of
events that Spirit has ordained, are we not heading for a lesson ourselves? Are we then not in
danger of restricting our own path?

One thing it feels like I was to become aware of over the last couple of years, particularly
through the energies the earth is sending out, is when there is an imbalance in the Whole. But I
have become aware that, even with the benefit of this gift, I cannot remedy that imbalance and
part of the journey of stripping away has been to accept this and carry on with my own journey
in spite of this imbalance: to find ways to work around this imbalance. Over the last couple of
weeks, I have been made aware of increasingly unstable energies within the Earth Mother: only
last night I was talking to a friend from my spiritualist church about this, and this morning I
wake up to the news about the major earthquake in Pakistan. I was made aware of these energies,
yet there was nothing I could have done to prevent this disaster occurring and to think that I
could would be have been a product of earth based consciousness rather than my spiritual
awareness.

It feels more and more that people who act as facilitators are to do so by showing the way
forward by their actions rather than by advocating any prescribed method of resolving the
imbalances they see. It seems more and more that if we seek to provide an active means to
resolve that imbalance, we fail to allow the source of the imbalance to resolve itself: as if the
more we seek to resolve the imbalance by active action, regardless of our good intent, the more
the imbalance surfaces: almost as if the more energy we send in the direction of that imbalance,
the more energy is available to build up the imbalance, whereas if we choose not to send energy
to the imbalance, eventually the imbalance must resolve itself, as everything in Creation appears
to work around cycles: just as the case of an earthquake, imbalances within the earth’s plates are
seeking to resolve opposing forces. If a person standing on the edge of Dark Night fails to elicit a
response they desire, that person will either have to go within to find the answer or they will
enter the Dark Night. If they fail to go within, events will be brought to them to bring about a
situation where the Dark Night occurs. In questioning how this situation came to be, at some
level they must decide for themselves which aspect of this supreme intelligence they need to
harness in their life and how they are to use this knowledge to bring about the transformation of
energy that will decrease negativity and increase positivity.

In that situation, what would be the purpose of the facilitator being able to witness this situation
in advance? More and more the answer to that question to me seems to be that psychic/spiritual
gifts are a means to witness in others things that we need to question about ourselves, or, as has
become more and more apparent to me recently, to witness in ourselves how far we have come
on our own journey. By recognizing in another person a situation we have been in or feelings we
have felt in the past, but which is no longer part of our journey, we are given an opportunity to
assimilate the learning we have undertaken since the similar events or feelings were part of our
journey. For instance, I have been witness to a situation with a neighboring family with
particular focus on the son in that family whose journey this last couple of years has been similar
in some respects to my own journey when I was his age. A similar event occurred in his
childhood that occurred in mine (parental separation). The outcome was different in the two
circumstances: his parents eventually patched things up and stayed together, and mine parted.
But I see so much of how I used to feel and how I used to behave in my late teens in his recent
actions: as despite his parents staying together, they have never really got on since. His
experience gave me the opportunity to reflect on how far I have come in dealing with the issues
surrounding my parent’s separation. But it also allowed me to see how events that I had not
forgiven my parents for were actually probably for the best: the young guy next door seemed to
prove that what happened in my case was actually a more fruitful event and from that realization
forgiveness came. I was able to take responsibility for my own future: no longer blaming others
for what as I saw as a bum steer early in my childhood that I was not responsible for but which
had changed the course of my life. I was able to take back a level of control that allowed me to
move forward and concentrate on the positive effects of my parent’s separation: and yes there
were some!

It could be argued that we sense these feelings because we have been there and we found an
answer to a particular problem and therefore we are better able to offer a way forward to
someone who may be struggling on their path. But, just as with the myself and the young guy
next door, no two people have the exact same experiences. Everyone will have had slightly
different experiences prior to an event that is the focus of a seemingly similar experience and
will therefore look at a situation from a slightly different perspective, even if on the face of it or
the event itself appears similar or if the feelings that a particular situation invokes is similar to an
emotion we have felt.

Systems such as the Medicine Wheel may be useful in this situation as a focus to finding a way
through. But even here, what works for one person may not work for another. However, I do
believe in synchronicity and that we are shown where we can find answers. So if a person
presents themselves to someone who has knowledge of a particular system I would not argue that
someone who holds that knowledge may be able to offer some assistance to that person.

However, to me, assistance is the key word here. If, as I believe, we all have the ability to tap
into Source energy, then that energy should guide us to the answers we seek. If it does not or a
person cannot apply themselves to finding the answers they need, or for some other reason there
is difficulty, then I return once again to the notion that this person is not meant to find those
answers and Creator has a different plan and that nothing any facilitator could do will impede
that plan, therefore the ability seems redundant: in which case why do we have it?

I can think there is one situation where Clairsentience could be used when it is not for one’s own
learning, and that is in relation to a group. I am thinking here of the sages of old who could
forewarn the clan of something that would be of detriment to the clan. I think we all owe a duty
to care and share to aid others, especially in a group situation where the needs of the many have
to be taken account of and sometimes individual needs have to be forsaken for the good of the
whole. But even here, there is a transfer of responsibility that may not aid the whole.

Okay, I need to go and think about this as it applies to replies to the other posts!

I’ll try and keep it brief next time Dragon:
Hi Wolfie, here are just my takes and thoughts on all this....if in any parts I have misunderstood
what you were saying please let me know. Plus don’t be surprised at my own brand of rambling
or I am just redundant LOL.

“Of late I have been intrigued by biblical legends and particularly the story of Jesus. My reading
seemed to suggest that biblical stories did not speak of extra-mental or extra-terrestial events,
people and places: that these things were myths created by people failing to decipher older
coded events or texts correctly or worse still, deliberately misconstruing the texts. This brought
me to the conclusion that if we strip away the myths, and dig for truth we can find logical
reasoning in the coded texts.”

I don't know how much logical reasoning can/could be found...there are many times I wonder if
the logic itself would interfere or "clog" up the works.

I do agree with the misconstruing the texts...I came to that conclusion some time ago. If they
can’t be explained and created fear or would make the human "powers that be" look not so
powerful or just plain stupid and or it doesn't mesh with the fear that many leaders back then
wanted to create to gain power over the "little people", than it was not "noted". Divide and
conquer, ignorance and fear leave people weakened and if someone not so scared and or has a
higher intelligence comes along and can use that against them, they did if they were power
hungry or became teachers if not. Of course we all know what happened to the teachers
throughout the ages. If the Jesus legend is true, he was of course a teacher and was crucified for
it. Potential death was a very important factor in how things were deciphered. Or the knowledge
was repressed for the same reasons.

“We often talk here about duality: our spiritual nature and our physical nature: as if some kind
of “schism” is occurring within our “being” and that a spiritual path is a means to rectify that
situation and bring us back to Oneness: what if the position was, in part, the other way around?
What if we first had to strip away all that linkages before we could find out true “beingness”?
When I think about the ability we are discussing here, I cannot feel that this “schism” is all
around us. Through this ability I sense that everything is connected and that it is through this
“connection” that we are able to discern another aspect of this connected “Oneness” i.e.
another person. But what if, through this connection, we sense that we are separate from
external consciousnesses and this really was not the case?”

If I am interpreting what you are getting at correctly (if not then oops LOL), I can give an
example of a mother and her new baby. There is a "oneness" , impossible not to considering how
they come to be. One person growing inside another, totally dependent on the mother for
protection, nourishment, oxygen etc., etc..... Then that baby is born, I know I felt the loss, and
many woman I know did also, (of course the baby feels the loss too) so at that point there is the
separation of the physical and that type of oneness changes.

Then you re-bond at this new level. Then as your baby develops that bond changes and grows.
The baby becomes more of an individual and again the adjustments have to be made. Eventually
that baby realizes it is separate from you, not a total extension. So now his/hers consciousness
has changed and usually go through a period of "anxiety separation" cause they now feel the
loss again and it frightens them at 1st. We support, protect and guide them, while they process
and adapt. If we don't, then that experience is very different for them. And depending how that
baby experienced this new level of consciousness/awareness is how they will process
"themselves".

The relationship of that oneness changes constantly as we do. I think one is dependent on the
other in my opinion. The physical and the spiritual. One feeds/fuels the other. We have to
nourish the body to stay alive and stay conscious to keep up the "path", yet an illness can also
open you up to the spiritual out of fear or need. In cases of severe illness you might make peace
with what you perceive as the inevitable and "strip" it all the away and become very "aware"
spiritually as the result. And that in itself has proven to heal someone. Another might close up
spiritually out of anger and hurt that they are not being healed cause they are scared and feel
abandoned. How many time I have felt despair and all alone and then get a hug from my
husband or son or a good friend and my body instantly reacts with warmth and bonding and my
energy instantly changes. And that energy becomes receptive or a release.

I guess my point is that I don't feel there is a formula, at least not a set one…each individual
makes for different experiences and there-for different connections at different times. Some
people seem to be born "knowing' who they are and their paths seem set. Others spend their lives
floundering and never seeming to get there, some keep searching with different results. I believe
it’s all connected myself. The body, mind, spirit, how we experiences all those and how we
connect within ourselves will influence how we connect with all the rest. As we change so does it
all. So maybe we only have certain abilities/connections/gifts at certain times as we are aware or
use/exercise them, need them etc. Again I don't think there is a set pattern. I think it’s an ever
changing connection.

Lately I have noticed that the word "path" is bothering me. You are taught you have a path, but
then your told that no matter what you do, say, decide, experience, it’s still your path. You’re not
on your path, you deviated from your path, you have always been on your path. Your path is set,
your path is not set LOL. Its making me nuts. I think I might be done with that word for a bit.
“Our eyes and hand work together to allow us to pick an object up despite the fact that our hand
and our eye are composed of very different cells.”

They work together, they are connected. Like a battery to a toy, the toy and the battery are very
different but they are made to work together. If that connection is lost through damage, then the
connection is disrupted. Not a whole lot different I feel, than when our own connections are
damaged. Or maybe we disconnected them ourselves at time, like removing the batteries to use
them for another "toy" because at that time we don't have enough energy for both????
“Why then should our consciousness not be able to expand beyond our physical being to
understand another aspect of consciousness i.e. another human being? OK, the hand and eye
have a central processing unit and a system to relay the messages to direct the two. Yet it has
been proven to human consciousness that there are energy forces within our Universe that exist
outwith human consciousness. Scientists are aware for instance that there is some kind of
medium which they do not fully understand which they have named “Dark Matter”. Thus the two
components necessary for a “connectedness” between material substances: an energy force and
a medium of transmission are potentially available. The fact that Human Consciousness cannot
yet explain these components rationally should not necessarily mean that such forces do not
exist.”

Absolutely!! Of course they exist, there cannot be a rational, set, physical test for everything. We
are energy. We are made up of matter and energy. You can see a rainbow but not touch it, they
have a scientific explanation but is it necessary? Or maybe we should just enjoy it, let it be one
of life miracles and not analyze it to death. Isn't faith the ultimate test? You go with your
feelings, instincts. We have connected despite the lack of scientific explanation or upbringing etc.
But yet, aren't we drawn to and react to all energies? Lighting, wind, waves, heat, pressure
systems? Other peoples? Energy attracts energy. Energy feeds energy. What we do with that
energy is another thing. We are attracted to it, connect with it...but not always react to or use it.
For assorted reasons.

“The persons of the Trinity were born in the man named Jesus. This argument was dismissed as
impossible. But in relation to this discussion and the concept of All That Is, why should this not
be the case? I certainly feel that the ability I have been discussing is one that allows one to sense
“All That Is”. Creator is often considered to be some kind of energy force akin to human
intellect. In the pre-renaissance theological/philosophical debates the human intellect was
discussed in terms of the passive and active intellect, and from what I have read so far, the
passive intellect appears to be of the physical and the active intellect of the Spiritual: in other
words, in the early Christian doctrines, Creator was responsible for all intellectual processes,
with the physical body as the passive receptor of such processes, which reacted to the active
impulse to give the allusion of human consciousness having the ability to think for itself.”
Well I believe that we receive the creators gifts through him but...is it a true gift, are we gifted
with a piece of the creator and it is now ours to do with as we choose? Are we just the receptor?
Do we have free will or are we guided to a specific destiny? And will that destiny will be brought
about in one way or another, depending on the choices we make throughout our life? Or do we
end up where we have brought ourselves consciously or not?

“But let’s go look at this proposition in terms of Clairsentience. Supposing Creator was the
active intellect: the source of all thought: where does that leave mankind as a receptor of that
thought process and how is it transmitted? As we have already discussed in terms of the hand
and eye, an intermediary is needed as a means of transporting that impulse. To me this is where
the individuated spiritual body would come in. In the cardiovascular system, nutrients and waste
products are transferred from one aspect of the system to another by means of Osmosis (one
definition of which is: A gradual, often unconscious process of assimilation or absorption
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition from
Dictionary.com) : a means exists within the human body whereby one substance is infiltrated by
another. Why could such a process not exist between Creator and an individuated Created
energy force and then from that individuated force to the physical body? For this to occur by a
similar process to osmosis, all three components would have to be in contact. However that
contact occurred, the individuated spiritual body would be the link. But it could be argued that
Creator is therefore born within every one of us and was born within the man named Jesus. In
this sense the Jesus Legends is not the story of a particular special man, but the story of all
mankind.”

I have thought this many times myself. I also have pondered a million times over the "We are
created in his image". As a very confused kid brought up in a Sin Orientated Catholic
environment ...I was like…wow, than God can’t be a very good person/spirit. LOL All I got out
of it was that God was then a very scary, mean, punishing deity. But I was supposed to love
"him" unconditionally. Talk about setting a path for someone huh? But even as that confused kid,
I always questioned it all, it never meshed with the things I was feeling/sensing and "seeing" But
now and over the last few years as my perspectives has changed, I see that differently. "Creator
is therefore born within every one of us" is where I lean more than " We are created in his
image".

“If this is the case, and given that Creator is omnipotent, then every one of us has the ability to
connect with All That Is, as on some level our intellect is omnipotent: it can conceive of all
things. In this case Clairsentient abilities are an ability that every Human being has. This, it has
been postulated, is an ability that Creator reserved for mankind: as Creator “created mankind in
his image”. This is one of the concepts of the bible that I believe has been purposefully
misconstrued (by the myth of Creator being an old man with a long white beard) to deflect from
its true meaning when it was written:”
Agreed!!

“which I believe to be mean that Creator is Pure Thought and that mankind was created in
Creator’s image: of having Pure Thought as an ability.”

As opposed to what I was taught was that we are supposed to be pure "in" thought or we were sinners.

“Aristotle was one of the first to set down categories of “things” and in his philosophy the fact
that an individual man existed, so mankind existed. If I understand Aristotle’s categories
correctly, Man would be a species, the substance of which would be Animal. Therefore if Man
exists, according to Aristotle, Animal must exist, as anything which is a subset of something
proves the next level higher in the chain exists. How then could Creator create Man (as a species
of Animal) in his own image, if Animal was not also created in Creator’s image i.e. with that
same ability to receive intellectual impulses? Herein is a possible explanation of why Totems are
important to us as an aspect of All That Is. But something really curious occurs if we look at
Aristotle’s philosophy in terms of the Ancestors: we know the Ancestor’s existed and that without
them, we would not exist, therefore if we believe that we exist, we have to believe our parents,
grandparents etc., etc. exist!”

I do think "image" was meant spiritually not physically.

“By taking Aristotle’s reasoning, and our empirical knowledge of what we know to be true, we
can begin to comprehend more abstract theories of what can and cannot exist. According to
Aristotle’s theories, if we have the ability to think, then something higher up the chain that thinks
must exist: the next level to us is Animal: so Animal must think, and so on. If we were to follow
Darwinian theory through the various levels of gestation, we go back through insects and sea
creatures through to plants through to simple life forms through to the first bacteria through
rock through to the dust that created our planet: all must have been able to receive intellectual
impulses: thus All Our Relations have that same impulse.”

This is something I came to believe in quite some time ago and that each of those/us on the chain
will contribute/distribute those impulses in different ways as they/we to each our own ability.
Although I am still kicking around the theory that everyone of us has the same exact abilities. I
think there are some basics we all possess, but I am not sure it’s all exactly the same.
I mean we can’t all be doctors, or rocket scientists or train animals..... It has nothing to do with
intelligence, or that one is more special than another. We each contribute in our own ways. If we
were all capable of doing exactly the same things, then there would be no balance. why would
you grow crops to feed the world when you can save lives? Some can comprehend things that
others can’t and visa versa. Imagine how boring it would be too, LOL, if we all liked the same
flavors or colors or we could all sing or cook perfectly. And if that is all true, then it could
explain why sometimes we seem to heading one way and then for no apparent reason it seems
our lives take an incredible turn another way, sometimes through a terrible turn of events.
Maybe someone who was going one way, never made it there so it needed to be balanced out
with another person and the ripple effect will then create changes all over.

Kind of like Mother Earth balancing herself, she has been raked over the coals, forced into
complying against her very "nature" and depleted so the unfortunate side effects are the
earthquakes, hurricanes etc. to being played out in such terrible force back. Not in revenge or
justice or punishment but because she needs to be in balance and harmony to live.
“The early Christian fathers tried to suppress Aristotlian philosophy and it was the rekindling of
Aristotlian philosophy that eventually created the conditions for the Renaissance in Europe.
Until about the twelfth/thirteenth century, theology and philosophy were one subject, and
scholarship was the domain of the church, with students even being subject to ecclesiastical law
as opposed to imperial law. As the Church’s stranglehold on scholarship began to subside
(largely as a result of a minor schism between the bishop of Paris (the main center of
Scholarship in Medieval Europe) and the Pope) philosophy began to break off as a separate
subject and the newly founded universities of Paris and Oxford started to break free of the yolk
of the church, although in the end it was Cambridge that broke the mold. With this freeing of
education from the church and philosophy from theology, the conditions were set for a revival of
Aristoltlism that led to a revival of classicism in the arts that we call the Renaissance. But
essentially the revival was started by a revival in Aristotlianism. Somewhere along the way
however, the revival lost its way and we returned to the dark days of sixth century Augustinian
theory which introduced concepts such as original sin and similar negative self-image
abounding theories religious institutions use to impart fear and loathing into their adherents.”
Been there done that! LOL

“Returning to the Trinity and the biblical texts as interpreted by Rome. A number of people who
I have spoken to on the subject of Jesus all seem to cite St John’s gospel as being particularly
important in explaining the secrets in the codes hidden in the biblical texts. John’s gospel alone
gives us the text regarding the Logos and how it existed before anything else was created and
how Jesus was the Logos. As has recently been discussed in other threads, the translations of
biblical texts from the languages they were originally written in has not always rendered the
most complete interpretation. The Greek word Logos was translated into Latin as “Word”, and
indeed in Greek “Logos” does mean word, but not Word alone: for it also means “Reason” as
Reason relates to Logic and to Intellect. OK it’s a little more complicated than that as Will is
also implicated: but if I start going into that here this post will become a trilogy rather than a
book! So for the purposes of this text, lets equate the ability to Reason with the product (the work
or impulse) of the Intellect. From the discussion above that ended in the with Darwinian theory,
it is therefore implied that that impulse must be a part of All That Is. St John’s gospel is also the
only gospel that has passages which state that anyone could do as Jesus did: that ordinary men
could do as Jesus did. From what I’ve read, the close disciples of Jesus in Jerusalem did not
believe Jesus was any different than any other man.”

I think Jesus would have been someone who brought about changes, which many have done
forever. A messenger. Or maybe he was the creator himself wanting to get a feel of what it is to
be human. But then does that lead us back to "Creator is therefore born within every one of us" ?
Or was Jesus a very particular messenger and so was given a "boost" to bring about such
intense changes as was his purpose. And aren't we all the Creators children?

“So what was the primary substance or impulse that could be used as the medium for the
transmittal of that intellect that was the medium used to create our planet? Ok that’s the bit I
haven’t figured yet! Is it electricity, magnetism, electromagnetism or some form of semiconductive
material? Was it light, sound, “dark matter” or some other substance or impulse we
have not yet discovered? To me this is the big question, and I admit that it leaves a bit of a hole
in Aristoltian theory of Categories. So here I have to take a bit of leap of faith and assume that
somehow that impulse was transmitted! My guess is that that medium was Light, as light is
associated with what has become known as Sacred Geometry and the formation of solids from
energetic matter. My journey over the last twelve months leads me to believe that the ancients
knew things that we do not, and that our knowledge of things we believe we are very advanced in
today (ie physics, chemistry and mathematics) is actually very limited and has become so as we
have moved away from an earth-based existence.”

Me too Wolfie...I learned through my experiences with Tyler, that nothing is set in stone. We
learn with what we have at hand in and around us. And that too much science has interfered with
what I believe we should instinctively already know and maybe even accept what "is".
“You may think I am rambling (and I probably am: brevity 101 is not one of my strong points),
so I will cut to the chase as regards Clairsentience and why the above may be relevant. I said
earlier that there is a need to “strip away”. Supposing that each and every one of us does have
the ability to comprehend the thoughts feelings etc. of another directly. If one is not aware of this
phenomenon, one is surely going to attribute the cognizance of another to oneself? Thus when
someone is rude to us or in some other way hurts us, we might think that there is something
wrong within us that has made this person behave this way towards us? It is a proven fact in
physics that any energetic body will have an effect on another energetic body, and that
everything solid in our universe is an energetic body: it’s just that some things, the things we
describe as inanimate, pulsate at such a slow frequencies that we do regard them as energetic,
but the fact that they are here and have form dictates that they have energy, if for no other
reason than to make them solid: as without the energy to create attraction of their cells, an
inanimate object such as a rock would simply not be.”

Yes!
“So, before we can start to examine our self, we need to strip away all those influences and
conditionings that are not of our own individuated spirit but have influenced our physical body.
This to me is start of the Journey back to our true Self. Our Master teacher in this respect is
Creator through our individuated Spirit. We summon the assistance of intermediaries, such as
totems and guides and even other humans, but, as described above, these to me now are just
another aspect of our Self: in other words, given that we have that propensity to active intellect
within us, we are our own teacher.”

It has to begin and end with us.

“Despite the profusity of tasks different cells in our physical body perform, if we were actually to
analyze the different cells we would find that the human body is actually made up of only a
handful of cells types. In this it is clear that these cells agree to form together in different ways to
form aspects of different systems in our body. In the same way, different people must agree to
form different aspects of the systems of the species “mankind”. As such there are many different
purposes in the species. We might occasionally come across someone who we feel a close
connection or affinity with: it could be that this person has a similar purpose in the system to
ourselves or it could just be that we have experienced similar but never the same experiences
that seem to create a bond between us. But on the whole, we are all different. Therefore, only we
can decide what our service to the body of mankind will be, and in such a small group of the
species as we might find on a site like SL, or in any other group we are involved in, the chances
of any two people having the same purpose are pretty slim, even given synchronicity and the fact
that we gravitate to like souls. Thus, it would appear that no-one else can tell us what our
purpose is of how that purpose is to be carried out: as their purpose, although similar, may be
different than our own.”

Yup, not set in stone. No one true way.

“If we are all invested with this aspect of Creation that is Creator, then each and every one of us
has similar “gifts”. It cannot be something that we lose or gain, it must be always present. It
cannot be something that we can develop or that fades as it would be omnipotent. Nor could it be
anything that could be taught or healed. It must be intrinsic in our “beingness”. If this is so, then
why are we not all aware of it?”

Maybe cause it’s not black and white .... having the ability doesn't mean knowing/understanding
the ability, or how to use/process it etc., etc., etc…I think this must be because we are not always
aware of what we are and what we are not. That’s what I think is part of it. I do think there are
different factors.

“Often we talk of psychic abilities as gifts: as if they are something one person has that another
does not have. This seems to exclude large numbers of people, and despite the fact that this may
not be the aim, it seems to create a situation whereby people who wish to be, but are not fully,
aware of their “gifts”, or who are struggling with these “gifts” feel as if there is something
amiss: that they should be able to do the things that people who have mastered these “gifts” can
do. Therein there is a danger that inequality is created when it could just be that the time is not
right for those “gifts” to be understood. There may be lessons to be learnt before that
understanding can come.”

As I said I am still kicking that one around! LOL And maybe, the ones that want them or feel left
out is simply those of us who haven't found our own.

“Ok the fact that people have choice and choose to come to a site like SL might imply that that
time has come and that they are actually to understand and even make use of their gifts, but is
that necessarily the case? What is the case with the “Needy Seeker?” Over the last twelve
months, I’ve considered the purpose of all psychic “gifts” including healing abilities. The more I
think about this, the more I come to the conclusion that the only person that we can heal is
ourselves: the healer acts as a facilitator to allow the healing energies to come forward: but it is
the person who seeks the healing that actually does the healing. Surely the same must be said for
a facilitator seeking to bring understanding of spiritual gifts?”

Aren't they all just in part? I think in the end its us cause we choose whether or not to take that
bit of healing and make it work or not. I think once again, one feeds the other. How many times
have any of us reached out to another and healed ourselves in the process? Along with helping
them to heal themselves. How many times have any of us had the "aha" and realized that we
recognized in them what we actually needed to heal in ourselves?

“It is often said that we “hold space” when acting in such a facilitator role. But where is that
space held: within the facilitator’s energy, within the person seeking understanding’s energy or
out in the Universe? The space must be held outwith both parties otherwise one party will be
imposing their Will on the other, and therefore the space must be held in the Universe. In which
case, that space is outwith any one individual, whilst at the same time, if we are all able to tap
into that omnipotency, it is within both parties. Therefore if one person can step into that energy
field to “help” another, are they not invading the other’s? For Clairsentience to work, the two
energies must be out-with the consciousness of both, otherwise the Will must be involved and the
Will cannot be separated from the individual. Here we come to the point about Intent. But even a
person who uses this gift wisely and with good intent to help another could still be at risk of
invading the space of another, even if invited to do so as such an act denies that person’s ability
to find the answers for themselves?”

For myself I always taken "holding space" for someone as a comfort. You will not be forgotten,
you will not be replaced. You do not need to expend your energy at this time in your life for
this...the space is there waiting for you when you are ready to occupy it again. You exist even
while you’re gone. I think we all have a need for that at one time or another. There is room for
everyone...so no need for a physical/energy hold of a space. I personally don't think you can
actually do that, but that is my opinion.

“What if it is simply just not another’s time to heal? The facilitator may get that message
through Clairsentience abilities, but what if the facilitator misinterprets the message? The
person presenting themselves for learning may be in the process of difficult lessons that
sometimes have to be gone through alone: as in the case of what has been called “a dark night
of the soul”. If that has been ordained, then that surely is what must happen? Surely, no amount
of good intent on the part of the facilitator will make the other party’s journey any easier in that
situation and attempts to make the journey easier may just prolong the other party’s lesson? It is
often said that no lesson comes forward purely for the person presenting the lesson. The lesson
such a person may bring for a facilitator may one of release for the facilitator just as much as
for the person who needs to enter a dark night of the soul to find understanding? Again, that
understanding may be made clear to us by use of a gift such as Clairsentience. Are we not all
incarnated to learn lessons? If our gifts are to learn to differentiate our self and our own journey
from other aspects of Creation, what would be the purpose of being able to sense another’s
journey from our self’s point of view, other than for our own learning: to know when to release
our desire for the person presenting themselves for healing or learning?”

I think this is more simple ..... as long as we act with good intent, not with the need to control or
force...bend to our will, set the tone etc., etc. we just share, guide and most important
listen...then we have done our best and the rest is up to them. We can choose to never reach out
or back because we are afraid of all the possible consequences or we can go with our gut and
heart. There is way too much "don't get involved" in our world still. If that’s what the creator
wanted, then why did he make us pack animals? All it takes is for one person to try to control a
situation and force the outcome for their own benefit, and the ripples start and grow. We have all
seen an example of that. And that’s not ok and a different situation. That’s not a healer in any
sense. We make mistakes, it’s going to happen. But we also can’t be controlled by that fear,
cause again, there is the ripple effect and it effects many.

“Over the last couple of years, it seems to me that the facilitator role comes from sharing our
own experience and allowing other’s to take from it what they will/need. It is often said that we
should not concern ourselves either with where we ourselves or another is on their path, as
everyone is always right where they need to be: even a person who is going through a dark night
of the soul. If we accept that these gifts are innate in everyone, but that each person is to use a
different aspect of this gift to assist the whole, are we not in danger of potentially restricting the
use of these “gifts” if we do not allow someone to fall on their path if that is what must occur for
that person to find understanding? Ok some people may come to their path after an event that is
far from ideal: an event that has caused them great stress and they may not have the ability to
move beyond that event at the stage they are at. At that stage compassion and reassurance may
be needed to allow a person to find the way forward. At some stage that person will either find
the strength they need to move forward or they will enter that Dark Night. If we see someone in
that position, surely the kindest thing to do is to allow that Dark Night to occur? Our intent may
be impeccable and our willingness to serve unquestionable, but if we try and change a course of
events that Spirit has ordained, are we not heading for a lesson ourselves? Are we then not in
danger of restricting our own path?”

That is it right there, "try to change a course of events" that implies force, control and that’s not
the same as reaching out to help. I think calling ourselves a Healer might cause one to force
change, I think that’s why I am turned off by that term.

“If we see someone in that position, surely the kindest thing to do is to allow that Dark Night to
occur?" but again, isn't that a show of control? How do we decide that we should "allow" them
that? I know what you’re saying and I never have felt you have tried to do that to me…my point
is that going with what feels open and right... I feel .... is a good way to filter any situation. The
rest will play itself out.

“One thing it feels like I was to become aware of over the last couple of years, particularly
through the energies the earth is sending out, is when there is an imbalance in the Whole. But I
have become aware that, even with the benefit of this gift, I cannot remedy that imbalance and
part of the journey of stripping away has been to accept this and carry on with my own journey
in spite of this imbalance: to find ways to work around this imbalance. Over the last couple of
weeks, I have been made aware of increasingly unstable energies within the Earth Mother: only
last night I was talking to a friend from my spiritualist church about this, and this morning I
wake up to the news about the major earthquake in Pakistan. I was made aware of these
energies, yet there was nothing I could have done to prevent this disaster occurring and to think
that I could would be have been a product of earth based consciousness rather than my spiritual
awareness.

It feels more and more that people who act as facilitators are to do so by showing the way
forward by their actions rather than by advocating any prescribed method of resolving the
imbalances they see. It seems more and more that if we seek to provide an active means to
resolve that imbalance, we fail to allow the source of the imbalance to resolve itself: as if the
more we seek to resolve the imbalance by active action, regardless of our good intent, the more
the imbalance surfaces: almost as if the more energy we send in the direction of that imbalance,
the more energy is available to build up the imbalance, whereas if we choose not to send energy
to the imbalance, eventually the imbalance must resolve itself, as everything in Creation appears
to work around cycles: just as the case of an earthquake, imbalances within the earth’s plates
are seeking to resolve opposing forces. If a person standing on the edge of Dark Night fails to
elicit a response they desire, that person will either have to go within to find the answer or they
will enter the Dark Night. If they fail to go within, events will be brought to them to bring about a
situation where the Dark Night occurs. In questioning how this situation came to be, at some
level they must decide for themselves which aspect of this supreme intelligence they need to
harness in their life and how they are to use this knowledge to bring about the transformation of
energy that will decrease negativity and increase positivity.

In that situation, what would be the purpose of the facilitator being able to witness this situation
in advance? More and more the answer to that question to me seems to be that psychic/spiritual
gifts are a means to witness in others things that we need to question about ourselves, or, as has
become more and more apparent to me recently, to witness in ourselves how far we have come
on our own journey. By recognizing in another person a situation we have been in or feelings we
have felt in the past, but which is no longer part of our journey, we are given an opportunity to
assimilate the learning we have undertaken since the similar events or feelings were part of our
journey. For instance, I have been witness to a situation with a neighboring family with
particular focus on the son in that family whose journey this last couple of years has been
similar in some respects to my own journey when I was his age. A similar event occurred in his
childhood that occurred in mine (parental separation). The outcome was different in the two
circumstances: his parents eventually patched things up and stayed together, and mine parted.
But I see so much of how I used to feel and how I used to behave in my late teens in his recent
actions: as despite his parents staying together, they have never really got on since. His
experience gave me the opportunity to reflect on how far I have come in dealing with the issues
surrounding my parent’s separation. But it also allowed me to see how events that I had not
forgiven my parents for were actually probably for the best: the young guy next door seemed to
prove that what happened in my case was actually a more fruitful event and from that realization
forgiveness came. I was able to take responsibility for my own future: no longer blaming others
for what as I saw as a bum steer early in my childhood that I was not responsible for but which
had changed the course of my life. I was able to take back a level of control that allowed me to
move forward and concentrate on the positive effects of my parent’s separation: and yes there
were some!”

I think some have called this shadow lessons? Or something like that. But either way, I know
myself I have experienced this many times. Allot of times if I feel "restricted" then I feel it’s not
my place to be an active part of a situation. Other times I stayed away of out fear of screwing up
and ended causing more problems that way LOL. I still feel instincts coupled with our gifts is a
guide for our decisions.

“It could be argued that we sense these feelings because we have been there and we found an
answer to a particular problem and therefore we are better able to offer a way forward to
someone who may be struggling on their path. But, just as with the myself and the young guy
next door, no two people have the exact same experiences. Everyone will have had slightly
different experiences prior to an event that is the focus of a seemingly similar experience and
will therefore look at a situation from a slightly different perspective, even if on the face of it or
the event itself appears similar or if the feelings that a particular situation invokes is similar to
an emotion we have felt.

Systems such as the Medicine Wheel may be useful in this situation as a focus to finding a way
through. But even here, what works for one person may not work for another. However, I do
believe in synchronicity and that we are shown where we can find answers. So if a person
presents themselves to someone who has knowledge of a particular system I would not argue that
someone who holds that knowledge may be able to offer some assistance to that person.
However, to me, assistance is the key word here. If, as I believe, we all have the ability to tap
into Source energy, then that energy should guide us to the answers we seek. If it does not or a
person cannot apply themselves to finding the answers they need, or for some other reason there
is difficulty, then I return once again to the notion that this person is not meant to find those
answers and Creator has a different plan and that nothing any facilitator could do will impede
that plan, therefore the ability seems redundant: in which case why do we have it?”

For me I find that these systems confuse me rather than guide. I thought for a while I had to
follow the Medicine Wheel or something like it and I was judging myself so much that it totally
inhibited any progress until Crow and I had shared some similar feelings on certain things. Then
I was able to take off the blinders and decide for myself. Do I feel she played an important part
and was even meant to? Yup! I do. Emphatically. You will never really get how much your
guidance on Cougar played such an intricate part in continuing my progress in some very
detrimental areas in my life that I thought could never change. And the ripple effect that had on
me as a whole. It even helped to improve my marriage. Just because I did the actual work and
made the conscious decision to be a part of this process, doesn't mean you didn't play a very
important part in it all.

“I can think there is one situation where Clairsentience could be used when it is not for one’s
own learning, and that is in relation to a group. I am thinking here of the sages of old who could
forewarn the clan of something that would be of detriment to the clan. I think we all owe a duty
to care and share to aid others, especially in a group situation where the needs of the many have
to be taken account of and sometimes individual needs have to be forsaken for the good of the
whole. But even here, there is a transfer of responsibility that may not aid the whole.”
I will have to agree with you on that.

Well Wolfie, I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all this. It took up my whole morning chewing
over things, re-reading and responding LOL. Time well spent.

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Dragon, You've raised some really good points for me to think about: thanks! It is probably
going to take me a while to get around to replying and I may have to do that piecemeal, which
actually may be a better way to discuss this...But I wanted to clarify something...You said:
“I don't know how much logical reasoning can/could be found...there are many times I wonder if
the logic itself would interfere or "clog" up the works.”

...in response to a part of my quoted text from which the above is your response.
Logic probably wasn’t the best term for me to use with regard to what I was trying to convey.
What I was trying to convey was that if one is aware of the secret codes a more down to earth
interpretation can be placed on biblical texts which takes away the "miraculous" or fantastical
element. For instance "leper" was a coded term used to denote a non-believer: so when the bible
says "Jesus cured a leper" it means Jesus converted a non-believer to his faith. The "raising X
from the dead" was code for Jesus having spoken for someone who had been imprisoned and
threatened with expulsion from society: at which point they were treated as if they were dead. If
someone did not speak for such a person before the end of the third day: vouching for their good
character and fitness to be part of spiritual (and therefore all of) society: they would be excluded
(sorta like the more modern day term excommunication combined with a person being "sent to
Coventry")

By logical I was meaning: more everyday/less miraculous. Like I said, not the best term to use
for that discussion when philosophical stuff appears later in the post!

Dragon:
Hi Wolfie, it was a fine term, I just misunderstood and in fact, don’t even know why I commented
on it LOL. Sorry about that but thank you for explaining it. My response was super long so don’t
worry about getting back to me on it all...I enjoyed answering and really exploring my thoughts
and feelings on it.

CinnamonMoon:
Hi Wolfie, I must say you covered a lot of ground here and there’s a great deal of thought put
into this post. I’m going to share my perspectives with you as I’m sure others will. I’m one who
sees things a bit simpler but hopefully what I share will help you sort out some of your questions.
Be warned though, I’m not going to be brief. LOL

No one is all-knowing and we each have to perceive as our reality presents life to us, but it’s all
One in the end. *Soft smile* On the flip side of that statement we can focus on being centered
and with Spirit and in that state of mind and spirit we can tap into the Oneness, into the allknowing
and find our answers. It takes intent to do that, and it requires that we believe it is
possible. How we come to that belief can be found in a multitude of ways or traditions but those
ingredients need to be there…at the very least there must be a willingness to accept the
possibility so that we can have the experience and know through that experience that it is part of
*our* reality…in that way the connection is made.

“This brought me to the conclusion that if we strip away the myths, and dig for truth we can find
logical reasoning in the coded texts.”

In studying mythology of different cultures for decades, one of the things I found to be a
repeated pattern is that there are common threads that run through them all. While the names,
locations, and minor plots may change the core is the same throughout them. Archetypal
symbolism prevails in these myths and core truths are presented. Just as Jesus taught in parables,
it’s the character traits, the challenges and how they are met…these things teach us what needs to
be understood. So in your stripping away proposal, there is validity, simplifying things and
seeing the simple truths leads to that comprehension. The myths are stories used in oral tradition
to present these teachings so they are not forgotten or lost.

In the past various traditions, cultures, and religions jealously guarded their knowledge,
knowledge is power and they wanted power over others. If everyone knew the truths there would
be no need for that leadership, there would be no one to “overcome” with that power as they
would be equally matched (so to speak). Through these various sources of knowledge however,
that knowledge has been secured for future generations.

Now that the evolution of humanity has arrived at the state it is today that knowledge is being
sought by individuals and the control factor is dissipating slowly over time…and rapidly in the
scope of human development presently. In all that you shared there is a core truth to it, we do all
have these abilities, be it clairsentience, clairvoyance, or clairaudience…this simply means that
we have clear senses, vision, and/or hearing…it means that to reach that clarity we must intend
the Oneness within and without ourselves entering the Sacred Space. It's there we are able to tap
the Source Energy that contains the information we need. It means we must extend our senses to
do this and tap into the cosmic consciousness, or reach out to the entities that guide us to our
enlightenment, hence the term extraordinary sensory perception (ESP) or clairsentience. We
enter Sacred Space by going within ourselves first though. The connecting link is there.

We all have the capability of using our senses in this way, however in order to do this we must
be open to the potential within ourselves, connect with our spirit for it has that clarity, like we
have to connect our will to our mind so we can clarify our intentions. The spiritual and the
physical are one; however, in Western thought there is specialization, there is categorization,
breaking things down to rebuild them. This is akin to reinventing the wheel, and we all try to do
it to some extent. We explore our relationship to the world around us this way...this belongs here,
that belongs there, and we have to look beyond it once it's placed to see the interrelationships.
Cultures where there is no division between the spiritual and the physical do not encounter this
struggle so profusely and they are less likely to struggle as those with the Western mindset do.
The Trinity you address is found in the union of the duality by bringing it into balance.

“We often talk here about duality: our spiritual nature and our physical nature: as if some kind of
“schism” is occurring within our “being” and that a spiritual path is a means to rectify that
situation and bring us back to Oneness: what if the position was, in part, the other way around?
What if we first had to strip away all that linkages before we could find out true “beingness”?
When I think about the ability we are discussing here, I cannot feel that this “schism” is all
around us. Through this ability I sense that everything is connected and that it is through this
“connection” that we are able to discern another aspect of this connected “Oneness” ie another
person. But what if, through this connection, we sense that we are separate from external
consciousnesses and this really was not the case?”

In my perception the two are indeed one, it is the lacking awareness of that which separates us
and brings duality into play to a large extent. Centuries ago children demonstrating their abilities
were not seen as remiss, they were taken aside, schooled and taught to develop them. We all
have these abilities but if they are not used they will atrophy, like a muscle, they must be worked
with to attune to them. So initially we have to separate and work with them in stages. As they are
mastered they are assimilated into our whole being and become second nature. At that point,
perceived as part of the whole, they are no longer needing to be so technically defined, and the
old foundation of separatism begins to dissipate with onset of the concept of unity and
wholeness…the Oneness.

Gradually we come to discover the Inner Spirit speaks to us through our senses and is the
essence of all that we are, the essence within us that gives us life. The physical body is seen (in
my tradition) to be a Robe for the Inner Spirit to wear. Others refer to it as the host. The spirit
itself incarnates but the physical body does not, hence it becomes a garment of sorts or a vehicle
for the Inner Spirit to experience the physical incarnation through. It is the Inner Spirit that
connects us to Spirit/Creator, that spark of life that is born of the Source of Life. So therein steps
duality. When it is embraced that the Inner Spirit is the true self and a merging takes place we
step from duality to the Trinity. We work like a body works, the spirit being the nervous system
that communicates the essence of knowledge and information to the body/mind and when in
communication we bring the two to a third level of comprehension.

Life itself is physical, and living life often holds a physical focus, one that distances us
(especially today) from the aspect of spiritual presence. The spiritual perspective is lighter and
softer than the denser and heavier physical aspect…in a sense physical is held by gravity and
spiritual allows us to rise above that influence. Physics, science, whatever method you choose to
prove this, it is a reality that exists and there will be as many ways to describe it as there are
minds to conceive it.

When like-minded individuals share they form a tradition of sorts, and when traditions become
“set” they compete for who’s way is better, be that religious or not. This further confuses the
core truth, it’s the illusion then that takes over…the illusion that there is only one way. Various
traditions serve the like-minded individuals and are a “way” of perception being expressed, but
they are not the only way. Hence the acceptance and tolerance that allows unity allows Oneness
to exist as opposed to separatism. Unique beauty grows in a garden, and we are all flowers trying
to bloom. However it takes conscious intent to seek the answers and conviction to quest for the
truths.

“Why then should our consciousness not be able to expand beyond our physical being to
understand another aspect of consciousness i.e. another human being?”

It can. It is only limited by what the individual believes to be possible. It’s the ‘belief’ that
creates blockages or removes them. I have had my consciousness expanded out into the universe,
heard the stars sing, and been one with it. To make that statement and have you truly
comprehend the magnitude of it you would need to have a similar experience to relate to.
Otherwise it sounds preposterous. You might think I was delusional or really "out there". LOL
But it did happen and I stood in the Breath of Spirit to enter into that experience. It was initiated
by Spirit and I was blessed to be touched and so enlightened in this way. Initially I told no one
about it, it seemed to be something I couldn't share, but then, one by one, others on Medicine
Paths began to share they'd had similar experiences and as they did I was able to assimilate far
deeper than I could on my own.

“I certainly feel that the ability I have been discussing is one that allows one to sense “All That Is”.”

I agree with that, it is through the extended sensory perception that we sense this. To get to that
we have to enter into different trance states, we have to focus on the essence to see it. Again the
lighter softer perceptions…subtle shifts. And the deeper we go into that sensory journey the
deeper we go into the trance state until we reach the level we are seeking. At the deepest states
you will find people who say someone has been “taken over” or is “possessed by the Spirit” etc.
either by intent or circumstance if they haven’t learned to control their ability. Without control it
can be terrifying and traumatic.

“But let’s go look at this proposition in terms of Clairsentience. Supposing Creator was the
active intellect: the source of all thought: where does that leave mankind as a receptor of that
thought process and how is it transmitted?”

As a small particle of it, figuratively we’re like the cellular receptors in our bodies, we are the
cells in Spirit’s body. But once in union with a focused will and active motion towards the
Whole the connection becomes more defined, stronger, and awareness is one with it.
“Why could such a process not exist between Creator and an individuated Created energy force
and then from that individuated force to the physical body? For this to occur by a similar process
to osmosis, all three components would have to be in contact. However that contact occurred, the
individuated spiritual body would be the link. But it could be argued that Creator is therefore
born within every one of us and was born within the man named Jesus. In this sense the Jesus
Legends is not the story of a particular special man, but the story of all mankind.”

From what guidance has shown me, we are encoded in our DNA as a sort of map and it is
through the DNA process of evolution that the map unfolds. I’m sure some scientific perspective
on that theory could create an entire book to define it. For me it’s just that simple. The Inner
Spirit works with the DNA too. What some call Kundalini relates to that process. The coiled
snake takes the shape of the spiral of the DNA...a double helix; and the double helix takes the
shape of the caduceus, the caduceus spirals, spirals reflect vortex energy where junctures of
magnetic or electric forces combine (depending on the balanced weight of the input) to either
attract or deflect, and from there we have receptive or active energy forces that rise or fall, and so
the unfolding of symbols take us from one stage to the next.

Working from understanding we can flow with these symbols, however without it we must learn
to decipher them and see what that leads us to…if we are aware, if we have interest, if we
believe that quest is worth the effort. Some individuals are here to experience the physical reality
only, others are here to seek their connection spiritually, we all have a reason for the incarnations
we have assumed and it can be anything in-between these extremes ranging from curious natures
to a driving force within us as our Inner Spirit stirs us to react.

“If this is the case, and given that Creator is omnipotent, then every one of us has the ability to
connect with All That Is, as on some level our intellect is omnipotent: it can conceive of all
things.”

Yes. As Jesus said: “These things I do you can do also…IF you believe.” The mind needs to be
open to the concept in the first place or it will never embrace it. Just as it needs to open to
communication between two individuals. If it is “set” in a perspective then communication
breaks down because it has set its own trap of sorts. It will not see beyond that perspective to
embrace the perspective of another…effectively we butt heads, argue, or begin to fight to defend
that mindset.

“In this case Clairsentient abilities are an ability that every Human being has.”
Yes. But they must be used to grow and develop. As well, different sensory perceptions vary in
intensity within each individual, what works for one person as a strength is often a weakness in
another who has a different sense that is strongest. That (generally speaking) ability that is
strongest is categorized in the aspects of birth…what sign are you born under? What Moon are
you born under? Where are the elemental aspects strongest?

As an example, and again this is a generality as there are modifiers brought into play along the
way with other aspects, but I’ll use myself, I’m born under the Butterfly Clan, an Air sign that
correlates to Libra in traditional astrology. This means that the aspects and attributes of the
element Air are going to be my strengths, and the greater abilities I hold.

Long before I learned of these associations through the study of different traditions I came to
know the elemental force of Air (and subsequently the others) as a child. My Guides appeared
out of the Air to me, the Wind spoke to me and interacted with me, it responded to my thoughts
and my will to demonstrate this connection. I learned to accept these realities as we learned to
play together first. Afterward, when I'd come to fully accept their presence, we began to work
together as I grew more capable of working with that source of communication. It validated itself
through those experiences. So when I found a tradition that could describe “me” to me I
embraced it, explored it and followed that path. I think we all do this in our own ways.

The other abilities and aspects of elemental influences required me to work harder to master
them, master them I did, but I had to work at it where the influences of Air come as easy as
breathing. How the elemental forces interact with one another can indicate how we will handle
conflicts with that development and in life where their influences are at play.

Air can fuel Fire or it can extinguish it; Air can stir water or become saturated with it, freeze it or
thaw it; Air can move earth or pass over it. Whether you follow the elemental teachings or some
other way of perceiving things, these are all aspects of the whole and the greater our
understanding, the greater our use of this knowledge, the greater our abilities become, but we
have to work with them…if we don’t they atrophy. As Jesus stated, and as Aristotle implied, we
must believe we can to do this…or believe in the possibility that something exists to explore it.
“…all must have been able to receive intellectual impulses: thus All Our Relations have that
same impulse.”

Another part of the whole, and yes, this is why All Our Relations are honored like they are in the
NA traditions. They do not differentiate the spiritual from the physical but see it as a continuum
of the whole. We often, however, need the duality to comprehend the whole. A telephone is a
receiver and a sender, a device that allows communication to flow both ways, we’re a device too.
We receive the impulses, or insight, or information and then we send back in one form or
another. If we only receive we limit the value of that information. We have a blockage that we
need to remove so that we can send too. We need to be an active receptor or we are
shortchanging ourselves. IMHO

“My guess is that that medium was Light, as light is associated with what has become known as
Sacred Geometry and the formation of solids from energetic matter. My journey over the last
twelve months leads me to believe that the ancients knew things that we do not, and that our
knowledge of things we believe we are very advanced in today (ie physics, chemistry and
mathematics) is actually very limited and has become so as we have moved away from an earthbased existence.”

Light carries energy, but it is only one conductor, there are others. Sound carries it too, and if
you relate to reading the biblical interpretations in the beginning it was Light and then the word
(sound). Energy carries information in one form or another. Thought (a form of active energy
which I believe is the sound principal or intent spoken) produces action, and action sets energy
into motion. Wherein the subdivision of Light (or Darkness depending on the intent being
positive or negative) is influenced by the elemental forces that energy moves through. They are
the matter that combines to give form by either attracting or deflecting. I leave the rest to
science. LOL Where’s Earthwalker when I need her?

“So, before we can start to examine our self, we need to strip away all those influences and
conditionings that are not of our own individuated spirit but have influenced our physical body.
This to me is start of the Journey back to our true Self. Our Master teacher in this respect is
Creator through our individuated Spirit. We summon the assistance of intermediaries, such as
totems and guides and even other humans, but, as described above, these to me now are just
another aspect of our Self: in other words, given that we have that propensity to active intellect
within us, we are our own teacher.”

I would say that is true…to an extent. IMHO and experience it’s a bit more than being our own
teacher (though that does come into play at times), let me ask you where would you place the
essence of other spirits not of the physical world that interact with us into your nutshell? These
entities that work with us, our Guides, Ancestors, Guardian Spirits, Spirit Helpers etc., are
entities apart from us in general. So then how do they fit into this? There are sources external
that serve as teachers as well, Wolfie. We integrate ourselves with them at times, either through
merging or shapeshifting to take on their essence and explore it, perhaps bring that out in
ourselves having learned how to work with it (since we have that capability) but…they are
external beings all the same.

You really can’t strip them away, IMHO, nor the Totems…they reflect aspects of self to us, but
they are entities, not just pieces of us. You yourself had an experience with an Angel…is that a
figment of you being mirrored or was it an external entity? (Rhetorical example)
While incarnated in the physical body, we are assigned a team of Spirit Helpers to guide us
through life and help us re-member all the things that the Inner Spirit knows we need to embrace
to help us bring that Inner Spirit forth. In myth they might be called fairy godmothers, or
religiously Guardian Angels, or in nature-based terms Totems, but they are with us as spirits that
help us through life. We need to establish a relationship with our Self in that sense, just as we do
with Spirit/Creator, and they help us do just that as we establish with them too.

Native teachings that I follow put it in terms I could understand…Totems carry the essence of
that creature from the Animal Nation. Guides come to us from the Below World as Elders,
Ancient Ones, Ancestors, and if we knew them in life, we learn to recognize their spirit in
death…to recognize that death is only a changing of dimensional realms and they walk
elsewhere, but their spirit, that spark of life force that lives within us all is indeed eternal…it
continues on its path of evolution and pathwork on one side of the veil or the other.

Guides come to us from the Sky Nation, the Above World, and they guide us into the future and
teach wondrous things. These are not parts of us, they reflect those parts of us, mirror them if
you will, so we learn to recognize that within us or learn to find it and bring it out. In the Middle
World we have All Our Relations...all the other species and subspecies of life that are just as
sacred as humanity is, the creatures that are moved and stirred to interact with us and bring us
insights we need to grasp at the moment. The Plant Kingdom, the Mineral Kingdom, the Animal
Nation...all of these life forms have a connecting link to us and when we know how to connect to
them it opens communication on spiritual levels and expands our awareness and we validate it
through life experiences. We co-exist within the whole this way...no matter what semantics are
put to use.

You don’t have to accept my definitions, my ways of perception here, though I know they hold
interest for you. But there will be a tradition or source of knowledge that does support your way
of perceiving, perhaps several sources, wherein you create your own theology. Whatever course
you take is up to you, but I have to explain it as I see it and know it through my experiences.
Hence the above definitions are mine as such. (The disclaimer is for anyone reading this that
may think I’m force feeding here, shamanism is the path I focus on and my way of
communicating the spiritual teachings I've been given to share.)

It’s more than just intellect and imagination at play, Wolfie. Imagination is the key to open the
door to journeys and shamanic flight. Once you step through it, you are in an alternate reality and
you will experience things beyond this world. Whether you follow any culture’s shamanic
teachings, or Nature-based philosophy, whether you follow a religious tradition, or walk a path
of your own eclectic making, somewhere along the way you’re going to encounter these
experiences, the interaction with entities beyond the physical realm. How you perceive them will
determine how far you can go with them.

They can be dismissed as fancy or an over-active imagination, it happens, and some people never
come to embrace their existence, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And within all the traditions
of the world you will find them presented in one form or another. The names may change, that’s
semantics, and when you see them for who they are you recognize them wherever they appear.
This is my own experience, and the experience of many others I know. It’s far more than an
aspect of myself IMHO.

You’re free to believe what you want, but I suggest you consider this and work with it a bit so
you don’t short-change yourself. IMHO it’s limiting to say they are aspects of self only. They are
far more. The Self does not stand outside itself, it stands within. It can stand outside the physical
body, but when it does that the consciousness is within the Self, the body is in a state of trance,
asleep, traumatized, anesthetized, or in a state of shock. Entities are external and they can merge
to become internal as well. The Self knows the Self and this is how we differentiate between the
two. Experience leads us to learn how to discern that difference.

“If we are all invested with this aspect of Creation that is Creator, then each and every one of us
has similar “gifts”. It cannot be something that we loose or gain, it must be always present. It
cannot be something that we can develop or that fades as it would be omnipotent. Nor could it be
anything that could be taught or healed. It must be intrinsic in our “beingness”. If this is so, then
why are we not all aware of it?”

Mmmmmmmm I disagree on certain levels, there are times I’ve been “gifted” by Spirit, and my
abilities are enhanced, or added to in some way. There have been other times I've been gifted
with abilities I didn't have or I should say capabilities. The “gift” feels like it washes over you,
not rising up from within, coming over you from an external source. You’re bathed in the energy
of it, and in a sense your abilities evolve at those times.

I’ve also had abilities open up from within me and I know the difference so it works both ways.
And there are spiritual experiences wherein we are bestowed an ability, it is received as a gift
and one knows the difference at the time. I was gifted with a Song, this Song requires me to
employ my abilities to utilize it, but the Song itself is a power, it’s a gift that creates a tool for me
when I apply my abilities and understanding of the process. That combination forms a new
ability…a new Gift of Spirit that is mine to wield.

If I pass it on it will be to someone who has shown me they would honor it, I may or may not do
so, and I will be guided to do so if it is appropriate. That’s my gift to use or share as the case may
be. You were gifted with a Rod…the same thing applies there. The Rod did not come from your
abilities, you have to learn what it’s for, how to use it, and how to focus your abilities with it to
create a working tool. A Gift of Spirit.

In another instance I was taught to see in a 360 degree perspective. I was shown how Spirit can
be omnipresent in this way. (This was during vision quest.) That ability was gifted to me for
without that experience and lesson I’d have never known how to enter into that expanded state.
The gifting is the enlightenment, the lesson, the expanded capability that comes with it. Without
those things there is nothing bestowed, so it’s more a co-creative process there.

“Often we talk of psychic abilities as gifts: as if they are something one person has that another
does not have. This seems to exclude large numbers of people, and despite the fact that this may
not be the aim, it seems to create a situation whereby people who wish to be, but are not fully,
aware of their “gifts”, or who are struggling with these “gifts” feel as if there is something amiss:
that they should be able to do the things that people who have mastered these “gifts” can do.
Therein there is a danger that inequality is created when it could just be that the time is not right
for those “gifts” to be understood. There may be lessons to be learnt before that understanding
can come.”

Wolfie, as I’ve stated, Gifts of Spirit can be bestowed upon us, what we possess as abilities is our
senses and if we don’t use them they atrophy. If we don’t believe we can use them beyond the
physical reality we essentially block ourselves from that capability. Sometimes Spirit steps in
and shows us differently. Society, in general, takes the open-minded child’s psychic doors and
shuts them down telling them that they are ‘imagining’ things be that in relation to the things
they share or their ‘imaginary friends’…they tell them that’s not the ‘real world’ and those doors
slam shut in most cases. The child that does not encounter that type of resistance doesn’t have to
learn to unlock themselves because they can stay open to guidance, however most aren’t so
fortunate. Though I believe that’s changing today.

At any rate, when Spirit bestows a gift it’s often in the form of a tool (which may be physical,
spiritual, or within us to create in some energetic way) to use to focus our abilities and utilize
them in a way that we’ve not understood before…a way that without that gift we couldn’t
accomplish the tasks, it is meant for us to serve with it. You see?

The Gifts of Spirit always come with a full set of instructions, we're not left to guess and wonder
at them, we know what they're for. In this way it expands upon the range of capability we hold at
that time that could not be achieved through any other means. Seeking such Gifts of Spirit is why
people vision quest, it’s why Jesus went up on the mountain, it's why the shaman will seek his
isolation for 40 days and nights…the enlightenment that brings forth the understanding and cocreation
of the tool be it in spiritual form or in physical form or both. But it takes time to be
made ready to receive these Gifts and when one examines their life, if they aren't doing it
formally with a ritual of some sort, they will see the points where Spirit did that preparation for
them through a series of related circumstances. We don't see that until afterward though, or until
we're well into it. That's what happens when Spirit does the initiating instead of us.

Of course there are lessons to be learned before those abilities can be tapped in these instances.
We have to grasp where the blockage is, how to unlock our own doors, and have a willingness to
do so. We either initiate the process ourselves or Spirit will after we've had time to exercise our
own will on the matter. If it's something our Inner Spirit has agreed to experience then it will
come to pass, that's part of our destiny and it will be fulfilled one way or another.

Not everyone ‘wants’ to use their senses in this way either, many are willing to live vicariously
through others who do work at themselves. I’ve seen that time and time again. I’m sure you have
too. “I know __________, and they can do the most amazing things, see things others can’t see.”
or something similar. It's easier for them to have friends that do this than it is to develop the skill
themselves. Like not wanting to work on a car engine and paying someone else to do it for you.
We all have areas that don't interest us and some people are only mildly interested in the spiritual
aspects of life.

We’re coming into a time/age where it is common knowledge that these abilities exist in all of us
and people are developing them. It hasn’t always been the case, these abilities were seen as a
means of power and control over the masses for ages, they were jealously guarded secrets by an
elite few…secret societies and traditions, religious leaders, shamanic practitioners, the wizards
and witches and sorcerers that had the power to lead the people with the guidance they
received—for good or for selfish interests, and this is part of the history of humanity.

That power is slipping out of the hands of the elite few today, out of their hands and into the
hands of the general populace, individuals who can think and act for themselves are sharing this
knowledge and there are many prophecies that address this. The Ancestors knew this time would
come. That means they must assume responsibility for those actions as well and one way or
another they learn what happens when these “gifts” are abused. However the majority of people
are good people and they use them for the Higher Good of All…in whatever way is befitting
their natures and the path they are walking.

It doesn't mean we are better or worse than another for what we know, and what matters is that it
is shared in honesty and for the right reasons in a proper way according to the path we walk.
That's all. We do what we can, as we can, where we can, touching who we can but it takes
discernment to see where those actions (where the energy) is placed in motion. If someone is
feeling inadequate, or that they don’t have what someone else has along these lines then it’s up to
them to pursue knowledge where they will discover that in some way they can indeed do these
things. They have to ask.

We all have our little jiggles to make, but basics are basics and if we work at it we can develop
ourselves. That’s the difference between the true seeker and the individual that’s ‘needy’ wanting
it handed to them. You can’t hand them the ability, they have to work at it to earn it…or they
have to find a way to communicate with Spirit and have it bestowed upon them.

There isn’t anyone who is better than anyone else, but there are many who have worked a
lifetime to develop and grow along these lines. It’s foolish to think all that effort isn’t going to be
needed to be at that level of expertise. To compare where we are at with another is thus foolish.
For those who know more can teach us, we can be their students, and those who know less will
need to be taught...and all teaching is comprised of is sharing knowledge and communicating our
understanding of things.

We’re where we’re at and we can only work from there. If someone is touting their abilities to
brag or abusing them as a means of power over others it’s clear they walk with ego as a priority,
and as a Shadow Teacher. We have to learn to recognize them too, and sometimes we’re going to
find ourselves in situations that give room to Shadow Lessons, we have to learn the hard way.
On the other hand, there are many who share their knowledge for the benefit of others, selflessly
giving assistance when and where they can with discernment.

The abilities we possess are there for all of us, and acting or reacting with a grade school attitude
of “I’m smarter than you are! Nanner, nanner, nanner.” simply indicates that the individual really
‘isn’t’, they have some maturing to do. How we come to understand this and what lessons are
presented to get us there are the necessary ingredients to polish ourselves…customized to our
needs through what many call an agreement or contract of the soul…Inner Spirit…prior to
incarnation.

We’re born into a set of circumstances…parents, relationships, cultural and religious and
political influences that create an environment that will challenge us to develop the skills to
survive or present experiences that are necessary. We’re where we need to be but until we can
accept that and work ‘with’ it, we’re essentially handicapped.

“Ok the fact that people have choice and choose to come to a site like SL might imply that that
time has come and that they are actually to understand and even make use of their gifts, but is
that necessarily the case? What is the case with the “Needy Seeker?”

Well, I did an article on what the ‘Needy Seeker’ is as a definition. But ‘why’ they’re that way?
There can be countless reasons. They may just be someone that has an interest in things, wants
all the answers handed to them when it takes more work than that…in essence they’re lazy and
looking for shortcuts and instant answers that just simply don’t exist. The knowledge that is
gained comes from ‘experience’ and hard work and effort and years of practice through trial and
error. There’s no shortcut to it.

However some people don’t want to put effort into things and in those cases all they can receive
is theory. You can explain until you’re purple, but that person won’t ‘get it’ until they experience
it themselves. They’ll see the picture perhaps, but they aren’t ‘there’…it’s just a picture. You
can’t learn to ride a bike by watching someone, you have to practice and experience it for
yourself to master it. If you stop riding that bike for a period of time the skill wanes, however
you don’t lose it, when you get back on one you’ll wobble a bit, your body will ache from the
use of those muscles, but with a few trips around the block you’ll be fine and back in form. It’s
no different with our abilities. We don’t really lose them, we just keep them up or we find they
get lost in our awareness, they weaken and it takes a lot of work to find our way to them, work
with them again, and get them up to speed. Only we can do that for ourselves.

“Over the last twelve months, I’ve considered the purpose of all psychic “gifts” including
healing abilities. The more I think about this, the more I come to the conclusion that the only
person that we can heal is ourselves: the healer acts as a facilitator to allow the healing energies
to come forward: but it is the person who seeks the healing that actually does the healing. Surely
the same must be said for a facilitator seeking to bring understanding of spiritual gifts?”

I feel the healing is facilitated through the person bringing forth the energy as a Hollow Bone,
but is to be attributed to Spirit. Those seeking to bring understanding of spiritual gifts facilitate
the theory behind them only, and it’s up to the individual to practice that theory or not. We can
pass our gifts through knowledge this way, and we can pass our gifts through genetic disposition
to our heirs. We can effect a healing but we don't do the healing, Spirit does, the energy does, the
individual being healed does. Some people are stronger in some areas than others, but then that’s
no different than any trait. Some of us wear glasses and some don’t. But to heal or teach, it’s
theory that’s passed on and it’s Spirit that allows the energy to come to us, that energy (IMHO)
*is* Spirit and It flows through us to do the work, all we do is set up the best circumstances and
channel we can with intent and focus.

“But where is that space held: within the facilitator’s energy, within the person seeking
understanding’s energy or out in the Universe? The space must be held outwith both parties
otherwise one party will be imposing their Will on the other, and therefore the space must be
held in the Universe. In which case, that space is outwith any one individual, whilst at the same
time, if we are all able to tap into that omnipotency, it is within both parties. Therefore if one
person can step into that energy field to “help” another, are they not invading the other’s?”
The ‘space’ held is sacred space, stepping into the center with Spirit by a focused intent. Internal
and external at the same time, a melding if you will. It is a place that is not a place, a time that is
not a time, where all co-exists in harmony. Does the other person have to be there or open to this
‘space’ or ‘intent’…no. Past, present, and future merge and the Source Energy drawn upon can
be directed through time, or at someone or something.

Is it an invasion? Well that’s where ethics come in and when the intent is good it brings no harm
because the individual holding space tends to state something along the lines of: “Be it for the
greater good of this person and according to Spirit’s Will.” Therefore, if it is an intrusion or not
meant to be the energy will not have an effect on that individual, but if it is then the healing will
certainly take place. Ethical practitioners will not work without such a disclaimer or they will
substitute it with a prayer for the healing and ask Spirit to direct the energy leaving it in Spirit’s
hands. Prayer in this way is a focused energy and it has been scientifically proven to make a
difference on a cellular level by experiments where Petri dishes are prayed over as well as with
patients.

“For Clairsentience to work, the two energies must be out-with the consciousness of both,
otherwise the Will must be involved and the Will cannot be separated from the individual. Here
we come to the point about Intent. But even a person who uses this gift wisely and with good
intent to help another could still be at risk of invading the space of another, even if invited to do
so as such an act denies that person’s ability to find the answers for themselves?”

Well again ethics there are involved. Sometimes this is the case, but with the right intent there is
room to not invade. It’s no different when in the physical sense of living life we might warn or
offer to assist someone we care about. Are we invading someone’s space if we’re riding in a car
with a driver that doesn’t see someone recklessly coming at them so we warn them to “look
out!”? Are we invading someone’s space if we offer to help them care for a wound when we
haven’t been asked? The offer in that sense is either warning of danger to avoid it for the higher
good or asking permission to act. Are we invading someone’s space if we share knowledge when
we see they could use it? It’s up to them to respond to that, to open to the warning or healing or
care, but we can offer and we can initiate.

It’s called interacting in life, and we interact on all levels. How we do so will reflect the ethical
intent behind it. If the person is asking for a healing then they are ready for it. They want it, they
are open to it. Should we not apply our ability to channel that energy to them? Should we not go
to a doctor when we are in need of care? If they don’t know how to do it themselves physically
or spiritually they need a facilitator to assist them. To not help someone who asks out of fear of
impinging on their life or karma (I think that’s what you’re implying here) is IMHO a selfish act
on our part unless we are guided not to act.

There is a reason they have come to you for help…a need, and if you can fill it ethically you
should. There would need to be a valid reason for me not to assist someone that asks me for help.
Jesus led a life of service and help and healing and preached those things to his followers telling
them to do this with God's love and take it into the world. He's but one example, there are
examples everywhere in all traditions.

It could be something I’m shown about the individual that would indicate the help was a mask
for something being abused in some way, it might be the time constraint on my end, but if I
couldn’t serve due to time I’d certainly direct them to someone who could help. It might mean I
don’t have that ability mastered or the information they need and in those instances I direct them
as best I can to those who can help them…an act that still facilitates through that direction…a
part of their process if nothing more than to point the way.

“What if it is simply just not another’s time to heal?”

Then the healing won’t take place. It’s deflected. That person has Guides and Guardian Spirits
around to protect them from unwanted influences…aware or not. Let me give an example you
can relate to perhaps: Northernwolf hadn’t heard from me in a while and was concerned that I
might be ill or troubled in some way. He journeyed to me, not setting up an agreement ahead of
time, and I wasn’t adverse to his visit, just preoccupied with a spiritual transition point. He was
met by one of my Guides and driven back. I was not to be disturbed. He wrote me about it and
has even mentioned this on the boards. However at that moment I was to not be disrupted, I was
in my own process and my Guides were keeping external influences at bay. Any other time he’d
be allowed in as my Guides know of our friendship and we have worked together for years. So it
wasn’t that his intent was wrong, or his ethics out of place, but he was told “no” in a very clear
manner. We will be deflected if the work we are doing is wrong, or inappropriate be it in intent
or timing.

Healing work is strongest when the party receiving is open, when the party facilitating the energy
is working from right intent. It is weakest when there is resistance, and often that effort is
ineffectual. Wrong intent can bombard an individual, this happens spiritually with energy in the
same manner that an infection bombards the cellular structure of the physical body. Guardian
Spirits, the Inner Spirit, and the conscious awareness of the individual to shield that
bombardment work together like the antibodies of cellular makeup to fight off an infection. As
Above, So Below, As Within, So Without. It’s all One.

“The facilitator may get that message through Clairsentience abilities, but what if the facilitator
misinterprets the message? The person presenting themselves for learning may be in the process
of difficult lessons that sometimes have to be gone through alone: as in the case of what has been
called “a dark night of the soul”. If that has been ordained, then that surely is what must happen?
Surely, no amount of good intent on the part of the facilitator will make the other party’s journey
any easier in that situation and attempts to make the journey easier may just prolong the other
party’s lesson?”

Well that’s where experience along with the co-operative efforts of the student-teacher
relationship come into play and where a seasoned pathwalker is going to know how to
differentiate what should or should not take place. Having walked a path for an extended period
of time gaining awareness and experience, no Healer (in whatever capacity this healing is taking
place) is going to enter into the healing without checking in on that and gaining permission. Even
if the individual requests it, that Healer is either going to journey into or Dance the situation to
check with their own Guides first. They will receive permission to do the work, or ask for
guidance on what should or shouldn’t be done, or they will agree to the session with the addition
of focused disclaimers themselves in the act (I.E.: prayer or asking Spirit to determine the
outcome). That’s an ethical approach and a practical safety measure to avoid making such errors
in judgement.

“It is often said that no lesson comes forward purely for the person presenting the lesson. The
lesson such a person may bring for a facilitator may one of release for the facilitator just as much
as for the person who needs to enter a dark night of the soul to find understanding?”
In many cases that is the case but not always. Sometimes it’s a matter of the facilitator just
serving the needs of Spirit and their path. There is usually some sort of exchange that takes place
though and these roles often lead to a friendship or working relationship that lends clarity along
the way for the two individuals as a result.
“Again, that understanding may be made clear to us by use of a gift such as Clairsentience. Are
we not all incarnated to learn lessons?”
Of course.

“If our gifts are to learn to differentiate our self and our own journey from other aspects of
Creation, what would be the purpose of being able to sense another’s journey from our self’s
point of view, other than for our own learning: to know when to release our desire for the person
presenting themselves for healing or learning?”

This is something that a seasoned pathwalker will apply in the course of their work. Not only can
we see into the individual, but in the course of that in-sight, we can discern our interaction with
them, the permission to share or hold back accordingly, and the course of action we will take. As
a Healer or Teacher, the individual (at least shamanically speaking) will often use clairsentience
to journey to the individual’s spirit or with their student.

Let me give an example. A student that studies with a Medicine Person is at some point (if they
pursue that path to a serious degree) going to need to vision quest to learn of the path they are to
take in life and how they are to serve Spirit. The Medicine Person will remain at a distance in a
state of journey work focused on that student. They will witness much of what the student sees,
if not all of it, so that they understand that path. Because the Medicine Person is seasoned and
understands the way of the vision quest and or journey the student is being exposed to, they can
better guide them through the assimilation portion of their process.

If the Medicine Person does not journey with the student at the same time, then as the student
relates the vision or journey to them they will pop into it having the ability to do so. Remember
that time is irrelevant here; past, present, and future are one to the Medicine Person so they can
step back into it and explore what is shared according to their level of expertise. Either way the
assimilating process is facilitated and enhanced. Clairsentience is a very useful ability in many
instances, sometimes for our own discernment and sometimes to help others. Experience teaches
us which is which...and sometimes that's no picnic but we learn by our mistakes too.

“Over the last couple of years, it seems to me that the facilitator role comes from sharing our
own experience and allowing other’s to take from it what they will/need. It is often said that we
should not concern ourselves either with where we ourselves or another is on their path, as
everyone is always right where they need to be: even a person who is going through a dark night
of the soul. If we accept that these gifts are innate in everyone, but that each person is to use a
different aspect of this gift to assist the whole, are we not in danger of potentially restricting the
use of these “gifts” if we do not allow someone to fall on their path if that is what must occur for
that person to find understanding?”

That’s part of the discernment process. If the individual is not willing to embrace what you can
share then yes, you need to let them learn in their own way. Spirit has another teacher for them in
mind, you can be sure of that. However, if they come seeking help it should be given if the
request is sincere.

“Ok some people may come to their path after an event that is far from ideal: an event that has
caused them great stress and they may not have the ability to move beyond that event at the stage
they are at. At that stage compassion and reassurance may be needed to allow a person to find
the way forward. At some stage that person will either find the strength they need to move
forward or they will enter that Dark Night. If we see someone in that position, surely the kindest
thing to do is to allow that Dark Night to occur?”

If it is evident that they are calling the Dark Night to themselves then the answer is yes.
Otherwise it is our duty (IMHO) to point out that to avoid the work will place them at the door of
that Dark Night. How many times have you heard someone say "I went through that kicking and
screaming all the way." We all do this from time to time, usually when we're about to learn
something the hard way.

“Our intent may be impeccable and our willingness to serve unquestionable, but if we try and
change a course of events that Spirit has ordained, are we not heading for a lesson ourselves? Are
we then not in danger of restricting our own path?”

First off if Spirit has ordained something there’s nothing we can do to change that. Like SEDD
says, “no one is more powerful than Spirit” and she’s right. And yes, if we force an issue we’re
forcing ourselves into the repercussions of a lesson we need. That experience has thus come to us
so the lesson can be delivered…and the consequences of our actions felt. We can do everything
wrong for all the right reasons and it will turn out right. We can do everything right for all the
wrong reasons and we will fail. It’s as simple as that. If it doesn’t work it wasn’t meant to and if
it does work it was meant to be.

“…. I was talking to a friend from my spiritualist church about this, and this morning I wake up
to the news about the major earthquake in Pakistan. I was made aware of these energies, yet
there was nothing I could have done to prevent this disaster occurring and to think that I could
would be have been a product of earth based consciousness rather than my spiritual awareness.”
Sometimes this happens. The earth-based consciousness and spiritual awareness are one in the
same, it’s just a matter of where our attention is being drawn and on what level. Sometimes the
awareness prepares us, forewarns us for some reason. That reason may be to help others cope
with the shock on some level or simply for our own benefit so we’re not caught up in things we
can’t control or serve and therefore continue to do what we can do upon our path.

Some of us are more attuned to the energy of these natural disasters than others are and there are
countless reasons that may be happening. But the awareness is there for a reason and if nothing
else it’s there to help the individual maintain their balance in the aftermath of the event.
The dimensions are merging into our awareness more and more these days, which means that
more people are going to foresee these events coming into being. It’s the cataclysmic impact that
is being sensed through one or more of their sensory inputs. Our senses are our radar and they
tell us a whole lot about the world around us. The more we use them the stronger they become
and clairsentience is a very useful tool.

To see events that are beyond your control, Wolfie, may be happening (just as an example) to
give you a glimpse into the bigger picture of Change that is taking place right now. Perhaps (in
theory) this vision is developing for you so that you can see the needs that will be developing in
the future as you move deeper into your own path and the individuals that will cross it needing
that insight. Until you see where to share it in detail with others the information is held and
digested this way.

I couldn’t begin to share all that I’ve been shown, not that I’m beyond anyone else, but the
insights are extensive and there just aren’t enough words to do it justice without a novel being
written. I’m sure there are others who have seen more, have greater understanding than I do, and
will perhaps do more with it. However what’s been shown to me over the years has allowed me
to understand this Change that is affecting all of us, to walk through it with that understanding
and not let it throw me off balance. It allows me to maintain my focus, my conviction, to trust
Spirit knows best, and that I can continue to serve the path I’m on while growing with it.
Is that enough? Well at times there are those who need some of these insights and I have them to
share from my perspectives, enough sharing to allow them to continue their questing with a little
more understanding behind them or perhaps a direction to go in while searching out their own
answers. We touch here and there and we hand out the puzzle pieces this way. We can’t do it all
for someone but we can help give them a hand in seeking their understanding or validating their
experiences through our own…as I’m relating to you here.

“It feels more and more that people who act as facilitators are to do so by showing the way
forward by their actions rather than by advocating any prescribed method of resolving the
imbalances they see.”

At times, but it’s not always the case. There are individuals called to serve with that insight
too…they will be those who have the skills and ability to make a difference that serves the
betterment of the whole. In the physical sense such an individual might be a geologist who could
warn a community that danger was approaching. If they are given a vision of an impending
catastrophe they can then validate it with an early warning to themselves to watch their
instruments. Perhaps they are on a geological team that is (for the sake of example) watching a
volcano about to come into an eruptive state. They could pay extra attention to their instrument
readings and forewarn a community (perhaps several communities) that an evacuation is called
for and in the process serve Spirit by that warning and save countless lives.

Let’s say that on spiritual terms this knowledge is to be applied, there are many Pathworkers
globally tending to the healing of Mother Earth, to the re-weaving of the Web of Life…the grid
aspect of it where there have been tears in the fabric, some who are closing portals and opening
new ones, the list goes on and on but they are guided in mass numbers globally to do this. We all
have a direction to take and those called to specific work are called for a reason. However we
work, the path in life that we follow will have a career that connects us to serving in some way
too, it's all part of the whole. We may simply be the one at the office that the co-workers turn to
with their troubles who shares an experience that helps explain something they had happen along
similar lines. A nightmare they had might be relative. Spirit places us where we need to be so we
can do what needs to be done along the way.

In a sense SL (and sites like it) are portals, they are doors that open to facilitate the connection to
Spirit for those seeking to do so. At times others will wander in and look around, decide it’s not
for them and move on, but the seekers that are serious stay to make that connection. At that point
they move on or they remain to help others do the same. This is an example of where my
pathwork has taken me, it’s by no means the only aspect of it but it’s a big part of what I do. For
me it’s about communicating and sharing so that others may grow and come to know themselves,
their Inner Spirit, their Guides and most of all establish a relationship with Spirit. Beyond that
I’m merely the hostess at the door, where that takes them is up to them and Spirit to decide.

I have other work to do as well so I facilitate the portal in this way. And I facilitate another portal
that deals with global changes, and another is developing that will help my immediate physical
community and the work goes on expanding as I grow to meet the needs of the path I’m walking.
Spirit is the one guiding my path and the doors I come to face. I'm not the only person in this
role, there are many, and this is not the only site on the web, there are many. But we are one
place people can go to seek their answers as they find us and the other sites do what they can and
in this way the world becomes the recipient of the information it needs, at least a little of it.
Now the path you’re walking will develop as you go too and the understanding comes through
your experiences as they present themselves. What is understood today shifts when
enlightenment clears the shadows away and old outworn notions shift too, the experiences
become greater insights and either expand or are discarded for they are no longer of use. Those
understandings that no longer serve us we will discard but became the tools to get us where we
needed to be so we could grasp a greater truth. They served us for the time being but are no
longer needed because we see beyond them.

“If a person standing on the edge of Dark Night fails to elicit a response they desire, that person
will either have to go within to find the answer or they will enter the Dark Night. If they fail to
go within, events will be brought to them to bring about a situation where the Dark Night occurs.
In questioning how this situation came to be, at some level they must decide for themselves
which aspect of this supreme intelligence they need to harness in their life and how they are to
use this knowledge to bring about the transformation of energy that will decrease negativity and
increase positivity.”

Yes, and the seasoned pathwalker (or individual coming to this insight being ‘seasoned’ at that
level) is going to recognize this and respond accordingly. When the individual is at such a
crossroads as to determine which way they will go, that decision is part of their journey, how
they will learn and work through the lesson before them. They will either choose to walk the path
of Light and work with Spirit on it by going within willingly, or they will choose the path of
Shadow and go through it by experiencing that Dark Night. Either way they will learn. The
experienced pathwalker is going to recognize it is a journey that individual must make on their
own, that there is no way to walk it with them, nor is there a need to do so since they’ve most
likely made the journey themselves (perhaps a few times) and thus learned to recognize it for
what it is.

They may, if they are in the position to offer advice, point out in theory what this person may be
facing, but they can’t force them to choose, nor can they make up their mind for them. They
must, however, detach from that outcome whether they share what they see or not. At that point,
should they share, the message has been delivered and just like the mail delivery system, once
that’s done it’s up to the person to do with it what they will. “Feather Dropping” is permitted.
*Soft smile*We just have to let it lay at that point and move on, or at least step back and watch
to see if they pick it up or not.

Picking it up can be an indicator that they may be opening to assistance but at that point they
would need to come forward and ask for it. Usually when we are faced with this type of situation
Spirit will send us guidance to indicate that someone is coming to us…an indicator that we will
be placed in a position to teach something, and to learn something in the process ourselves.
When we are placed in a teaching position it is one that also places us as a student. This happens
as the lessons develop both ways. As the student questions the teacher along the way, the
information the teacher holds is either readily at hand or must be sought to give a comprehensive
answer. The teacher knows where to look but must find that answer and in that learns something
too. Not only that, but the perspective of the student is going to call for the teacher to adapt the
semantics of the lesson in ways the student can grasp…a learning experience in itself that lends
an expanded view to the teacher as well…a new way of seeing emerges, becomes incorporated in
the teachers repertoire and they grow in that way too.

There is so much that comes of these experiences and they are often quite humbling. As a teacher
we often see how much we know being employed, but we are also brought to the brink of that
knowledge at times making us realize how much we don’t know. That in itself is enough to send
us seeking more knowledge in areas of interest or need. So we become the seeker-student again,
turning to our Elders, our acquaintances and sources, our guidance for those answers. It’s a
pattern and a cycle that overlays our paths no matter what “level” of understanding we hold. We
can only share what knowledge is ours, we can’t share more than we’ve learned ourselves. When
a seasoned pathwalker sees a hole in their knowledge you can bet they’ll be fired up to fill it.
“More and more the answer to that question to me seems to be that psychic/spiritual gifts are a
means to witness in others things that we need to question about ourselves, or, as has become
more and more apparent to me recently, to witness in ourselves how far we have come on our
own journey.”
Well yes, sometimes that’s the case. There are other times where we are nudged or moved to act
and speak up. We have to open to our guidance to know which is which and until we are guided
we need to be discerning as to what we do share. The more experiences we have with individuals
the better our discerning skills become.
“By recognizing in another person a situation we have been in or feelings we have felt in the
past, but which is no longer part of our journey, we are given an opportunity to assimilate the
learning we have undertaken since the similar events or feelings were part of our journey.”
True…in some instances that may go beyond the example you gave of your neighbors…let’s say
the young man next door comes to you for advice, he wants to grow and find a way to go
through a healing process, he demonstrates a need for help…in that instance, because he is
‘asking’ you, the response would be to serve further by sharing how you overcame such
challenges and the method you used to get to that insight. It’s up to him to apply the knowledge
you share, to accept or refute it, but your obligation is over at that stage.

IF he comes back having followed up on matters himself and making progress but is stumped as
to a fine tuning point you can then help him facilitate his assimilation further, perhaps sharing
the lesson deeper, discerning how much to give. That discernment is merely an ascertainment of
how much he can hold at the moment. You can tell when someone wants more or is being
overwhelmed. It’s a step at a time.

As you share you touch a life and you ‘teach’ for the moment, you also learn from this student
how to jiggle or fine tune to their needs and may in the process expand your own knowledge
base which allows you to become the student in that sense and expand your insights further too.
Both parties would then grow together in that sense and you have the teacher-student-teacher
trinity at play. We can’t attach to the different outcomes though…those belong to the journey the
other is taking, but the personal development will result from that and that’s what matters.
Whether the two of you stay connected after that will be determined by the paths you walk.
Sometimes we touch and go our separate ways, sometimes we hold hands and continue to walk
together.

“But I see so much of how I used to feel and how I used to behave in my late teens in his recent
actions: as despite his parents staying together, they have never really got on since. His
experience gave me the opportunity to reflect on how far I have come in dealing with the issues
surrounding my parent’s separation. But it also allowed me to see how events that I had not
forgiven my parents for were actually probably for the best: the young guy next door seemed to
prove that what happened in my case was actually a more fruitful event and from that realization
forgiveness came.”

So you were blessed by witnessing this, and in that you also found empathy stirred to create
understanding of what this young man is going through. I recall from an earlier post you made
some time back discussing this situation that you felt drawn to help him, to reach out and direct
him but didn’t. That’s an example of needing the permission and not having it. You did the
ethical thing there, the entire picture wasn’t yours at the time but with what you hold now you’re
better able to see how you could help.

IF you feel drawn to reach out and touch him today, then now would be the time to seek
guidance on that and ask if this is what is meant to happen. Also watch the relationship to this
young man, see if he does reach out for you and in that way he’d tell you he’s wanting help, he’s
ready and open to it. Or you can ask him if there’s anything he wants to talk about with you and
take it from there. But first turn to guidance and ask there as a point of reference. You may be
shown more or simply told to proceed or restrain from interacting.

“I was able to take responsibility for my own future: no longer blaming others for what as I saw
as a bum steer early in my childhood that I was not responsible for but which had changed the
course of my life. I was able to take back a level of control that allowed me to move forward and
concentrate on the positive effects of my parent’s separation: and yes there were some!”
Okay, this is a major step in the learning process for you. And the young man (in a sense) has
taught you something. There was a reason you witnessed his life in this way. However, there
may come a time in his own journey where he reaches out for stability in coping, or after he finds
it to assimilate what he’s gone through. In sharing your own experience that is related to his he
would potentially be able to gain greater insight himself and more strength in his own ability to
forgive and accept his life for what it is. And he’d more than likely find a lot of validation there.
In that way he may find he can change it, he can break the dysfunctional chain of events that led
up to such tragic situations by his own initiative to choose for himself the course he will take in life.

You may in that way be a facilitator, or it may be that he is simply mirroring to you for now and
another similar situation will come at you later on wherein you would see deeper and be called to
act upon it at some point. Whatever the case, guidance is there to direct how you respond to your
lesson. There is a pattern to our lessons and how we learn to apply that knowledge. I wrote about
it in the article in the main library on “Assimilation”.

You may find that more helpful to you now than when it was initially posted simply because
you’ve had this insight into yourself and can grasp more of the pattern today. We learn our
lessons in layers, Wolfie, taking them deeper or out further depending on the direction of the
next layer. Either way they do expand upon themselves.

“However, to me, assistance is the key word here. If, as I believe, we all have the ability to tap
into Source energy, then that energy should guide us to the answers we seek. If it does not or a
person cannot apply themselves to finding the answers they need, or for some other reason there
is difficulty, then I return once again to the notion that this person is not meant to find those
answers and Creator has a different plan and that nothing any facilitator could do will impede
that plan, therefore the ability seems redundant: in which case why do we have it?”

To assist others, to discern when we should or should not do so, and to learn for ourselves. Spirit
moves us to touch others, or our Inner Spirit or Guides will. We have to learn to discern those
nudges, how our guidance operates for us (based on foundational understanding of some sort and
the jiggling of them to fit our own unique perceptions) and then learn to work with it from there.
If we see no benefit in that ability we will dismiss it and it will atrophy as a result. Using it
allows it space to grow stronger, disuse weakens it. This happens to many people over and over
until they come to the understanding they need to see the value in it. At this point in your own
process you are obviously questioning value in your clairsentient ability…seeking to find it a
place on your path and how to apply it thereafter. A good thing.

“I can think there is one situation where Clairsentience could be used when it is not for one’s
own learning, and that is in relation to a group. I am thinking here of the sages of old who could
forewarn the clan of something that would be of detriment to the clan. I think we all owe a duty
to care and share to aid others, especially in a group situation where the needs of the many have
to be taken account of and sometimes individual needs have to be forsaken for the good of the
whole. But even here, there is a transfer of responsibility that may not aid the whole.”

Only one? Hmmmmm I can think of several be it the group or the individual. In bygone years the
survival of the society was dependent upon this gift, but is it really any different today? It’s
radar, don’t we use mechanical radar to avoid accidents and catastrophic disasters or minimize
them today? Is that intrusive or helpful to the society? Think of the weather forecasting and the
geographic disruptions being forecasted to give warning to evacuate. Be it a society or an
individual, it’s all One, and use, ethical use, is going to benefit the whole. There are many
reasons for clairsentience to come into play and it is a powerful tool to utilize when
communication is necessary. The world has expanded its communication skills into the internet
and these spiritual aspects are moving right along with it.

Many people consult clients for their pathwork using online tools. Lessons are taught at different
sites, knowledge is shared, search engines guide us along to find what we're looking for or
potential sources of it. The world evolved with the internet, and the intent it uses it for
determines if it's good or bad. The ability we all have to tap into it is there for us but we have to
learn to work with it don't we? Once we do all the old fears we had about that unknown place
start to fade. We get comfortable, and we bring it into our lives and become a part of it all. Or we
choose not to and go another route, but most of us are here in one way or another aren't we?
Same thing. Well, like I said, you can forget Brevity 101 on this topic! ROFL I know I failed that
course again just now.

2CrowWoman:
I've given it a lot of thought and I tend to think....the answer is 42. *Crow runs out FAST,
laughing madly* With sincere apologies to anyone who isn't a Douglas Adams fan.

CinnamonMoon:
Crow, I was telling Mouse that I'd responded with a dissertation to Wolfie. Ha! But it's a good
topic and I'm letting it flow into the library when it's completed. If I move it now I'm afraid we
might lose comments posted after that. Answer 42, eh? Well now I have to go look for that one.

Earthwalker:
Good heavens, you can certainly all write. Can I try “almost brevity 101”?
In regards to assessing information from the oneness I think it is an ability we all have (as you
all have indicated) if we learn how to understand it.

To me, the trinity is symbolic of this ability and that which is in all. The seen (the physical), the
unseen (the space between that permits the physical to exist), and the senses that which
communicate between the two. Somewhat like a molecule being the simplest form of a compound
but consisting of differing elements. We are each whole within ourselves, as well as whole within
the context of Spirit; a molecular level of trinity within the larger trinity of all Spirit (Oneness/
Universal energy etc.).

Inner Spirit is part of Spirit that resides within the space of the physical form. The physical is the
experiential part of Spirit. As we project vibrations into the oneness it is done through intent. We
have the ability from the state of oneness (intent coupled to inner spirit) to access all of oneness
both seen (mundane dimensions) and unseen (other dimensions). Free will is the choice we each
make in regards to what will be chosen to be brought back into the physical form as sensual
responses (a charged state of vibrational intent). Therein, choice made in the physical results in
what we each choose to co-create with Spirit, (created, as the spiritual is coupled with the
physical through sensual communication). Spirit too continues to evolve, since it is this
summation of all energy which consists of the totality of physical forms, space (oneness) and
sensual vibrations. It encompasses all change and creation (both positive and negatives) and
stands balances in neutrality.

Physical life itself is vibration and sends out holographic images into the oneness (Akashic
records).These vibration patterns exist in the oneness and are something we can each tap into as
we send out vibrational energy in the form of questions, healing energy and or inner spirit
searching using our senses as a universal mode of communication. Intent is the driving force for
the action and free will and choice (such as the choice to allow oneself to be a hollow bone etc.)
is the charge that allows the finding to be manifested and communicated through sensual
vibrations as it spirals from the seen (physical) to the unseen ( oneness in other dimension) and
or back to the seen.. We choose as individuals, we choose as groups, we choose as communities,
worlds, and as environments etc. and respond or co-create accordingly. Choice permits an
exchange of energy in the physical worlds, between entities, between Spirit.

I think the holographic images being sent out is confirmed in a manner by scientists’
observations as well. How many times have we heard the statement that new ideas are created
almost simultaneously from different locations in the world even when there is no
communication between the individuals creating the new ideas. Therein even without the
definition of psychic knowledge there is probably an entering into the oneness that contains all
thought processes sent out as holographic images. Therein, we can co-create with Spirit and
with one another if we so choose.

Therein, I would question in simplicity. Isn’t the Trinity (in all symbolic forms) a cultural
symbolism of the basic building blocks of life?

CinnamonMoon:
That was a great nutshell Earthwalker, and to you question, I feel the answer is "yes". Glad you
showed up!

2CrowWoman:
Hi Cinn, I've been a Douglas Adams fan for a long time, but it was only watching the new movie
on his book/script, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", that I remembered 42. I'll be back
with a "real" answer later this week when I can have the time to reply properly, but to be honest
- 42 still works for me!

In the story a race of highly evolved aliens have answered most of life's questions except one..
the real big question - about Life, the Universe and everything in it. So they build a supercomputer
to calculate just that one answer.

After millions of years of calculating the computer finds the answer. The whole planet gathers
and the elders step forward to ask the computer what it has found. Here's the actual quote from the book:
“The Answer to the Great Question ..."
"Yes ...!"
"Of Life, the Universe and Everything ..." said Deep Thought.
"Yes ...!"
"Is ..." said Deep Thought, and paused.
"Yes ...!"
"Is ..."
"Yes ...!!!...?"
"Forty-two," said Deep Thought, with infinite majesty and calm”
The rest of the book is the quest to find the meaning of 42, which nobody ever does because the
truth is that Life, the Universe and everything in it is way too vast for anyone to comprehend -
even a super-computer. Or, to put it another way and quote Douglas Adams again..
“All you really need to know for the moment is that the universe is a lot more complicated than
you might think, even if you start from a position of thinking it's pretty damn complicated in the
first place.”
Edited to add - I never returned to reply. Sorry for that!

CinnamonMoon:
Ahhhhhhhhhh well thank you kindly for sharing that. I was trying to find the space to find it.
LOL

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Hey Cinn, Earthwalker Crow,
Cinn I enjoyed reading your post, although I still have some to read, so I'll be back here when I
have finished reading. Essentially I think we share similar views. Perhaps, I rambled too much
and my thoughts got lost, but, as for instance with the Angel who brought me the rod, I do not
perceive other aspects as part of me in a mental sense, but more from a perspective of everything
being connected and through that connection everything is part of me: if that makes any sense.
They are not part of my physical being as is my arm or my mind, but part of something bigger
than my physical being that my physical being is a part of, but that is at the same time an
intrinsic part of me: the two aspects intertwining. It's kinda funky to explain how this feels in
words: its like there is an essence that is common to all things that is outwith all things, but at
the same time it is on the inside of all things: that which is outside being also within: being
separate and individuated and yet a part of me at the same time: a constantly revolving thing:
the Yin-Yang symbol keeps coming forward at this time and probably describes this feeling best:
the angel is the opposite, but is contained within and visa versa: he is separated from me, but
within me at the same time. Still don't know if that adequately describes this feeling, but it is the
closest I can come to right now!

The book I am reading about the renaissance kept referring to Plato's Timaeus, which I haven't
read, so when my sister was in town last week, I asked her to pick me up a copy. Well, she did,
pick up a copy of Plato: a compenduim of all his works: that'll keep me quiet for a while.
Anyway, I can see why Timaeus became such a focus on the subjects we have been discussing
here, and why Jesus is linked to Neo-platonism. But given that there is mention of Atlantis at the
start of Timaeus, I have gotten a little side-tracked, but I will be back to this after I have posted a
post about Atlantis in Lotus' thread on that subject.

CinnamonMoon:
No problem Wolfie, and I think ... think ... you're talking about the permeation of Spirit which is
indeed the Oneness, again: As Above-So Below; As Within-So Without. Yay we both passed a
Brevity 101! (For the moment LOL)

Earthwalker:
Wolfie, When I envision the permeability you are speaking of, I visualize it as a type of dialysis.
Where a liquid (Spirit) is on both sides of a dialysis membrane yet the Higher molecular weight
compounds are held within even when all elements, water, air and warmth are permitted through
the dialysis membrane (physical form) and come to an equilibrium. As a change is induced, a reequilibration
occurs and there is movement across a membrane. Don’t you think a change in
consciousness permits the permeability which allows the recognition of our inner spirit as it
move within as well as outside of the physical barrier (our bodies).

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Cinn, “Yay we both passed a Brevity 101! (For the moment )” LOL

Earthwalker, I've still read your earlier post as I need some time to sit down and finish reading
this thread and I was late in from work tonight again, but I wanted to jump in on this thought:
“Don’t you think a change in consciousness permits the permeability which allows the
recognition of our inner spirit as it move within as well as outside of the physical barrier (our bodies).”

Yes, I do and no I don't. What is strange from my perspective is that sometimes this change of
consciousness comes in the most mundane settings: Ok the angel came when I was sat in a stone
circle and in a meditative state, but I have had experiences of similar stuff when I have not been
meditating. I've had it happen as I'm driving along in the car or when I've been at work.

The favorite one when I am driving along could be described as a form of daydreaming, but in
this daydream action is taking place that seems to be outwith me. One such occurrence is to see
things happening thht are not things if that makes any sense whatsoever . It's like seeing energy
signatures rather than sensing them, but these energy signatures are not differentiated, they are
all part of one energy, but I will be now by the movement of the energy that that is such and such
a body and over there is such and such a body or that is one situation and over there is another
and these things are coming together. I've never consciously tried to figure out why, so I don't
know what it means, nor for some reason does that seem important: it's as if just knowing that
energies are coming together is the important part: that situations are being resolved or situations
are dissipating. Maybe these are situations that are on my conscious mind, but I've never really
tried to figure out what these mean for some reason. Next time it happens I'll make a conscious
effort to ask why this happens and what I am supposed to learn from it.

This is a completely different sensation to seeing a person in a meditative state or when a picture
forms. An example which seems to happen regularly at work is when I am in the company of
others and I can sense energy around them, not in the form of auras, as I do not get colors, but
just as energy and I can feel an interaction with that energy and change it: I've noticed this
particularly at work where, with things having gone as wrong as they have, there is a lot of very
emotive energy around. It's as if by seeing this energy, I can join with it, and change it: slow it
down by slowing myself down: quite often when this occurs I will find myself just stood in the
center of our office as a couple of co-workers are arguing: and my action of standing still slows
down the energy around me and my co-workers.

What I would say is that on some level, once we have had an interaction with whatever it is that
joins with us, then that interaction can occur without our need to focus in on it. This is why I say
yes I do and no I don't: because it feels as if once we have had that changed perception, say from
meditative practice, it starts to meld into who we are: so yes a change of consciousness could
permit the permeability but no in that once that change has occurred, the permeability seems to
become part of us and is therefore normal and then a change in our everyday consciousness does
not need to occur for us to sense this different way of sensing.

I distinctly remember a couple of times this happening as a child once was after a church service.
I used to serve on the alter at our local church. I can't have been more than about seven or eight,
but I remember this particular night as I was the only alter server and it was not long after I had
started serving. After the mass my mum was chatting at the back of the church. Usually I would
want to get home, but this night I didn't want to go. At such a young age, I could not understand
what happened, so I just thought it was normal. Even now, I could not put into words what
happened, but if I had to I would say that it was like the energy sensations I feel at work:
everything slowed down and I was just "there" and everything around me became very
sensitively enlivened: which is one of the things I feel at work: it is not just the people around me
whose energy I sense but the whole area I am standing in: even the tables and chairs seem to
resonate at an increased speed amidst this slowing down. It's actually quite a funky feeling!

CinnamonMoon:
Remember too, as we reach into the spirit world by journey work, the spirit world can journey to
us...reaching for us. In my experience, the slowing of motion is part of that. For me, at any rate,
that's always been the case. When things slow down I'm being asked to pay attention to the
things taking place around me...time slows so I can observe and receive a message from my
Spirit Helpers, and in that not "lose time" doing it. When the message has been delivered, or the
vision has completed itself, time speeds up again and so it's a form of time warping. Does that
help you, Wolfie? I also get this same type of experience with sound, it ceases to be present in a
warp of its own. It happens, too, with energy and I get what I call "energy pockets" where
everything stills..quite the attention getter there too.

RavenFireStoneWolf:
Hey Cinn! I haven't forgotten about this thread LOL I know that I need to get back to it, but I
feel right now that things are happening that pertain to it, so I am watching and waiting as I feel
answers are coming through. You said in the "Funky sleep state" thread that that experience
could be linked to other things that are happening and I feel that it is: linked to this thread.
Maybe that is why I am sensing to wait on before replying here.
“the spirit world can journey to us...reaching for us.”

Well that is what I was wondering about the sleep state. The totem bringing all this forward is
Moose: it was Moose which came in the dream where I was picked up by the back of the shirt
and carried off. Moose ties in with water as a spiritual dimension, which is coming up again in
Timeaus, where it is stated with regard to the Universal Soul that Creator first created Fire then
Earth, and linked the two by means of Water and Air: so all the four elements are mentioned in a
way that links the Seven Sacred Directions.

The write-up of Moose in Animal-Speak reminded me of a dream I had many, many, years ago
where I was flying just above a dark sea: Spirit flying over the primordial waters.
Time seems to be speeding up when I want it to if that doesn't seem too crazy: Work days go so
fast right now, yet the evening seems to slow down to give me time to do the things I want to do:
I actually had time for a meditation tonight and that was a pretty cool meditation that explained a
lot of what has been going on recently.

I feel the time thing is because so many different areas of study are coming together right now in
a melding that is proving difficult to assimilate: so time is being used to an optimum: with
particular emphasis on sleep states to get the message home, but if tonight is anything to go by, I
will get the answers come through into consciousness in meditation: the work is being done in
the dreamtime, but the answers brought in meditation.

CinnamonMoon:
That's a very common thing, Wolfie, and yes, the work is in the Dreamtime because time expands
and shrinks there without issue. It's the physical reality where time is a linear matter and we
often transpose that concept in the spirit worlds but it doesn't apply, at least not by the minute or
hour as it does in the physical sense of things. My guidance often uses time (sped up or slowed
down) to work with me on a level of conscious awareness...the energy pockets I've mentioned,
slow motion, sound, visual perceptions of time are suddenly altered. I find when it slows down
that there is an enhanced ability to take in the finer details, you're not scanning the environment
you're able to take more of it in at a more concentrated pace. Things that move catch your eye
better too as motion is slow and you don't miss things. I'm digressing with this, but it does sound
like you're getting on track with it. I look forward to what you'll be sharing.

Earthwalker:
Cinnamon, you said: “Light carries energy, but it is only one conductor, there are others. Sound
carries it too, and if you relate to reading the biblical interpretations in the beginning it was Light
and then the word (sound). Energy carries information in one form or another. Thought (a form
of active energy which I believe is the sound principal or intent spoken) produces action, and
action sets energy into motion. Wherein the subdivision of Light (or Darkness depending on the
intent being positive or negative) is influenced by the elemental forces that energy moves
through. They are the matter that combines to give form by either attracting or deflecting. I leave
the rest to science. LOL Where’s Earthwalker when I need her?

I am just catching up on reading here, I apologized for missing this. It’s been a very busy time
and will continue to be so for another month. I think what you are referring to is Morphic
Resonance. When enough people learn something new there is suddenly a shift in resonance of
the human morphic field and many are awaken to this new knowledge. This is based on Nonlocality
which I believe is a fundamental part of quantum physics. Rupert Sheldrake demonstrate
this in his experiments demonstrating the speed of transmission of behavior even when there is
no interaction in the physical.

Let me step back and try to explain my limited understanding (Note well, I am not a physicist but
do need the science to understand or accept what many of you already know). Possible others
could explain this better.

It has been shown in an experiment that if you send a stream of electron particles against a metal
panel with two splits cut into it, placed in front of a phosphor-coated piece of glass, that expected
pattern of two neat slits of spots, did not occur. Instead the particles turned into waves yielding a
pattern of overlapping ripples as if a pebble was dropped in a stream. A follow up experiment
showed that the electrons can choose to behave like a wave or a particle. They choose to be
waves unless someone was watching in which case they snapped into being particles. It was
concluded that without being observed electrons exist as waves and only become particles when
someone watches. Personally I don’t like the word choice here since I don’t believe it is
conscious but a reaction but that is another discussion and I don’t have any answer.
In a second experiment, if a subatomic particle is split into two pieces with each half flying off
spinning into space in opposite directions with a barrier placed in front of one half (the barrier
being designed to result in a change in the directional spin of the particle) scientists looked at
what happened to both split parts while also ensuring that there was no chance of communication
between the two?

What happened was not what was expected. It was shown that the second half also changed its
spin instantaneously much faster that the speed of light. Therein this somewhat disproved
Einstein theory of light and yielded the Einstein Podolsky Rosen (EPR) Paradox. Niles Bohr
pointed out that fundamental error about the particles being studied. These scientist were
assuming the particles were things that were separate from one another: instead they were the
same thing, part of the same whole. This led into the beginning of understanding of that which is
called non-local phenomena or nonlocality. Non-locality is more of a conceptualization
supporting the idea of a universal mind as compared to a physical reality within a universal
reality. This concept has then led to Morphic resonance which has been shown by Sheldrake
where something learned in one place is also learned in another almost simultaneously even
without physical communication or interaction (shown with birds).

Therein, to my mind what we each think every day does have a huge impact on what exists. This
type of science also has demonstrated to me how our thought patterns as opposed to actions can
make the difference and shows how equally important we each are. All energies moves out like
ripples into this universal mixture of energy. Isn’t it our senses (seeing, hearing, tasting, feeling,
smelling) that change the waves to particles. Don’t we each extract out of this mixture of wave
patterns that which we choose to sense. Doesn’t it fit that prayer would work under these
circumstance and that energy could be transmitted in any of these waveforms to be accepted or
rejected by another as they choose. While there are still questions and underlying principles that
we still don’t understand or have yet to discover I feel it’s an exciting time. There is a
convergence of science and spirituality and both are helping to define that which we might know
but don’t understand. This understanding as limited as it might be has led me to acceptance that
action is not the only way to evoke change and has helped me understand that which is being
shown. The wave ripples themselves are not charged. Isn’t it out intent through a sense that
changes it and gives it focus. Therein the ability of a relatively small mass to evoke change.
I hope this helps a little. I am sure there are books many books written on each of these
experiments etc.

CinnamonMoon:
Thank you Earthwalker! And in much simpler terms it was taught to me that: Thoughts are
things, and words have power. As we think we speak and act or react to the words expressed by
the thoughts of others. Energy, in whatever form it takes, contains information and if we enter
into the Oneness of the energy signature we can tap into the information it holds. Thank you for
putting it in terms that explain it with more definition for those who think my explanations too
simple.

StarDreamer:
This brings up the 13th monkey story. Does anyone know if that was an actual observation? or a
story? I've googled it and mostly come up with the 13th monkey movie or reference to a "story."
Anyone? I've used the reference myself on occasion and would like to know if it was an actual
observation or not.

CinnamonMoon:
I've never heard the expression, StarDreamer, sorry.

StarDreamer:
Sorry, Cinn. Here's a version of the story: “I tell you here the story of the thirteenth monkey.
There are two islands. On one of the islands was a monkey that would take the food down to the
ocean and wash it before it was eaten. He did that for quite some time, while other monkeys
watched. Eventually another monkey took food to the shore and washed it. Soon the monkeys on
this island all washed their food. Now, there was no communication between islands, yet
spontaneously one day, a monkey from the other island took food down to the shore and began to
wash it.” www.white-conch.org I've heard it in different versions and was wondering if this is a
myth or if it has scientific observation to back it up.

CinnamonMoon:
Okay, I see. Well I can't comment on it being myth or fact. I can comment on myths in general
though. Throughout the cultural aspects of the world when myths were told (in times of noncommunication
between cultures globally) it is shown that those same myths played out in the
various cultures. The stories, though names, times, or places changed, contained the same plots,
morals, lessons...archetypes or archetypal situations. So there are patterns that are experienced
by all of humanity (life) and this Monkey story seems to be indicative of that pattern. Whether we
communicate or not, the survival and evolution are part of life and we move forward one way or
another. Truths exist everywhere.

Minna:
Hi, Wolfie ~ I'm sorry, my brain couldn't 'hold the thread', but in reading through some of what
you wrote I did see something that I can respond to, for me.

“It is often said that we “hold space” when acting in such a facilitator role. But where is that space
held: within the facilitator’s energy, within the person seeking understanding’s energy or out in
the Universe? The space must be held outwith both parties otherwise one party will be imposing
their Will on the other, and therefore the space must be held in the Universe. In which case, that
space is outwith any one individual, whilst at the same time, if we are all able to tap into that
omnipotency, it is within both parties. Therefore if one person can step into that energy field to
“help” another, are they not invading the other’s?”

I didn't have an idea of what the phrase 'holding space' meant exactly, until I happened into doing it.

There was something that needed to happen. A sort of a ceremony. I didn't know mentally if i
was right or not, but every other part of me just knew that this ceremony was at a critical vortex
time for a friend. I didn't know what would happen if it were not done, but in my mind there was
no option for it not to be done. This friend was coming over and I wasn't aware of these feelings
at the time, of the urgency of the feeling that I would experience.

But I found myself preparing my house - cleansing, placing stones, all kinds of things.
When she got here, we talked, and somehow we got into talking about what needed to happen. I
hadn't consciously thought of any of this - and when I did stop and think, I thought I was nuts,
but it didn't matter, because it seemed imperative that this ceremony occur.

I told her of my feelings, and in spite of my passion about this, Ii somehow made room for her
choice. I mean, of course, there was room for her choice anyway, but - I mean - I made room for
it. I can't explain it any better than that.

Once she had chosen, I finished setting up the area that she was to work. I was just the facilitator,
creating the space, holding the space, making it safe and lending my energy to the process -
holding the room for this process to happen, while she did her self-work.
All the time she was doing her self-work, i was there, and holding sacred space for this process. I
have never done anything like this before, and I didn't consciously know how to. But i knew
what to do and when to do it and how to hold it.

The space was held in the moment. It was a vertical moment, comprising her and all related
spaces, times and beings. That's the best I can say - "The space was held in the Moment."
This was a very strange occurrence for me, and if I had thought, which I at times started to, and
then stopped myself immediately - if I had thought, I wouldn't have known what I was doing.
But I was doing what I needed to do, what needed to be done in the moment, and I knew how to
do it.

That was my moment of holding space.

Earthwalker:
“And in much simpler terms it was taught to me that: Thoughts are things, and words have
power. As we think we speak and act or react to the words expressed by the thoughts of others.
Energy, in whatever form it takes, contains information and if we enter into the Oneness of the
energy signature we can tap into the information it holds. Thank you for putting it in terms that
explain it with more definition for those who think my explanations too simple.”

I agree with your words completely. Still I don’t live in a world of people comprised of those that
visit SL. The more complicated way just gives people a way of questioning their own beliefs. It
helps in bringing people to the understanding that what has been labeled psychic and rejected
has a basis that can be proved. It can move people from a mode of judgment to introspection.
The simple way is the better way but aren’t there still hurdles to cross before acceptance of the
simple way takes place? Therein for me both are needed. in some way it is holding space for
another to understand.

CinnamonMoon:
Yes!

StarryNight:
I am in awe of the contributions in this thread. I have been building, exercising, experimenting,
examining, flexing, enjoying, laughing at, and sometimes running from my abilities. Only within
the last couple years have I accepted them for what they are, and in the last year have I been
learning how to develop them. I’m so new at this.

I honor the ethical issues that arise, for I would not want someone to interfere in my lessons on
my path. When I am given information about others I evaluate whether or not I am being asked
to do something or not, whether I am just a filter for this information, whether I am to use it for
my own discernment, or whether I am to reach out to this person. The push, the compulsion I feel
to reach out to them, occurs when I receive the information through clairsentience. Perhaps that
is because it feels more a part of me. If I discern that I am to initiate (open the door) to
connecting with this person to help them care for a wound, and I sense they want to reach out to
me but can’t, I stumble on how to do that.

I suppose a large part of that is that I do not want to be seen as a "fool." Maybe rejection plays a
role too. Sometimes their pain is so great and overwhelming and sometimes it is easier to hide
than to reach out to another. I understand it is their choice to and they may not be ready. Even
as I seek guidance on what to do I am not courageous enough to do it. And, when I do act it is
more in the way of connecting inner spirit to inner spirit, nothing addressing the information I’ve
been given. My actions have always been well received, but there tends to then be this energetic
tension (not emotional) from them, like “what do I do now.” I too stop there, wondering if I go
on. How far do we pursue and when do we let it just sit. I trust that I am coming to understand
what is what and when it is time. I defer on the side of “do nothing” and often wonder if I should
do something more.

CinnamonMoon:
In that case you have to learn to get a feel for it and the best guideline I can give you is to see if
the individual asks for your help in the first place. Sometimes the information is there but we
can't share our insights until asked to do so. If they aren't ready, they won't accept it anyway.
You can initiate a conversation, perhaps asking the person what their views of spirituality are?
That would open a door to the general topic and you could steer it toward abilities and gifts. See
what their reaction to that is and slowly work your way toward the topic if they are open. Unless
you are certain it's best not to say things, observe and see your validations a bit and learn to trust
what you are being shown more. Your confidence is important, it gives credence to the messages
when you share them. If you have doubts the person is going to feel confused about acting on the
information. Hope that helps a little StarryNight.

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