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PTSD & Rage Part 3
By Jimmy WhiteBear

Jimmy WhiteBear:
Hi DoeWalker and Welcome to SL, Thank you for sharing with us. I am happy to hear that you
got help that was meaningful for you. Keep on keeping on Girl! Maybe the reason you decided to
share is because you felt the honesty by everyone in this thread and others. Please, If you have
questions don't hesitate to post in the forums, Someone will be happy to help! Again welcome to
SL and I hope you continue to share with us.

DoeWalker:

Thank you, Bear! I think you are probably right about feeling ok to post here. It takes a lot of
courage to change behaviors you became used to having and accepting. As my eyes scanned the
topics, I noticed this one and knew people would have stories to share. For this, I am grateful.
Much Peace,

Lotus:

Doe Walker, welcome to Spirit Lodge and thank you for sharing your story. I look forward to
knowing you better.

DoeWalker:

Thank you very much. I was just reading the posts again. Wounded healers, there is something
important in those words. We have gained much wisdom from pain.

We moved many times while I was growing up and each move meant more tests. My IQ was
always the same, very high but never worked to full potential. That got on my nerves. I was told I
was an INFP. I looked at the scores and they were high......Introverted, close to 100%, Feeling,
close to 100%, intuitive and perception were in the upper 80's. Intellectually I knew what it all
meant, but had someone really sat me down and said, look, you are a person with great feeling
and take things to heart, maybe emotionally I would not have gone where I did. I probably would
have gone another way but it would have been destructive as emotions and intellect are so
different. I guess I am wondering how many here have ever had that personality test done and if
they were introverted or extroverted, or maybe it doesn't matter. For me it did and I felt an even
bigger growth when I began to let the meanings of the words inside. Ii was told to me the Red
Road would not always be easy, watch out for negativity, strive for clarity and balance. This was
told to me after my recovery from abuse and self-hatred and suicide attempts. It took my body to
become ill for me to pay attention to negativity. All those years of physical abuse had taken its
toll yet I felt nothing until I married my wonderful new husband and felt safe. He is a very warm,
caring, loving man, and he is allowing me to let my body heal. I have several herniations in
various disc areas along with a shoulder which had been dislocated and I was not allowed once
again to go to the doc so I handled it myself and still am. I have been to traditional docs but like
holistic healing much better. Holistic healer where I come from are far and few in between, so I
do what I can. Sometimes the pain makes me remember it will never happen again, and I am
grateful for that. These days I burn much sage and smudge and play my flute made of birch. The
animals who have chosen to live with me are healing and bonding with one another, such a
wonderful gift.

I too spent many hours at the river and the owl spoke with me there. He told me many things, but
one important thing he told me and taught me was not to be afraid of the dark as there is a light
within. My vison is blind at night but I can feel things around me and do not stumble, so when
darkness visits for a day, I know there is a reason for it and all will be ok.
Though I will never be grateful for my past, I am grateful I learned from it and moved on to
other levels. There was a reason I was sent here last night and look forward to finding answers I
never knew were questions. There is a bond we all share and reasons for our lives being as they
were and are now, this I know. This limb I am on is the furthest out I have been with this thing
called sharing, yet I fear not here. It's a nice feeling.
Thank you all!

Minna:

Hi, Doe Walker ~ Good to meet you. And it was brave of you to share your difficult journey.
You have come far. Just wanted to let you know - I'm another INFP - all the freakin way! For me
it was the creeks and trees, sitting on a rock. Or if they were unavailable to me, inside a big
althea bush or a fig tree would do. However, fig tree leaves itch, but nobody could find me there.
Glad Blessings

DoeWalker:

The world needs more INFP's!!! Nice to meet you. I found many places to hide. One was in the
arms of a beautiful elm tree where I would feed and chat with those who chose to live there.
Every single times we moved, which was simply endless, I had to find another spot. Peace,

Wynsong:

Hello Doe Walker, Well Come, and Well Spoken, Thank You!
I am a ENTP...an odd combination...that T throws the mix into a whole new world. Myers Briggs
did a nice job of letting us know what our natures are, so that we can accommodate them as
much as possible in our lives. Munay Chi to you and your husband

DoeWalker:

Hi, Nice to meet you. I can never keep the profiles correct in my head, except, INFP, naturally.
Besides extroversion, what are your traits? It's kind of funny now when I do something others
wouldn't do, I just shake my head and know it's an INFP thing and the worry goes no further.

SnowyOwlsClan:

Thank You for this thread Bear..I was diagnosed with Complex PTSD 8 years ago and i am
gradually healing from it so Ii can identify a lot with what you have all said. I believe there is a
path to healing from it...it's just a long and painful one.
With Love

Jimmy WhiteBear:

Indeed it is Snowy but once the demon is confronted, the demon no longer has power and then
the healing begins... Keep on keeping on and you will feel the freedom from victimization.
Love and Respect

SnowyOwlsClan:

((((((((Bear))))))))
With Love

Jimmy WhiteBear:

You know, I was going to start a new post but learning how to trust again after trauma is all part
of the healing. Sooooo, This is a little on learning how to trust, how to allow ourselves to become
Vulnerable and how to deal with vulnerability.

We become hypervigilant in relationships because we have been hurt so many times but we know
that we have to be with others no matter the fear we possess. But because of the fear we either
question someone’s motives for being nice to us or we go into it with blind trust. Everything
becomes Black and white, right or wrong. We hope what we are seeing is genuine but there is a
subtle doubt that hangs just outside the balance. Why does this ________ care about me? Why is
______ being so nice to me? etc. On the other side of this, we just become happy that someone
has taken a serious interest and believe almost immediately that Miss. or Mr. right has walked
through the door and all will be okay! Not so!...

After we have confronted the Demon and stripped the demon of power, we must feel the new
found freedom and begin to change old behavioral patterns, Old tapes! What are old tapes? Old
tapes simply means we have to learn to change old behaviors and when it is time to begin new
relationships or make the one we are in healthier, not do what we are programed to do . The
programmed behaviors or habits that have caused us to continue to attract the same type of
people that have caused us much pain has to change. We change the Old Tape to a new one.
New ways of thinking, new attitudes, new behaviors. This also is hard and creates much stress
and we become unsure if we are right or wrong. Confidence seems to fall by the wayside and we
begin to revert back to the old tapes. Focus on the positive change is Paramount!...

Allowing ourself to become vulnerable is a risk that not many of us are willing to show anyone
but it is a necessity if we are to grow into who we want to become. I suppose there will always be
a little hesitation in us and this is good, caution is a good thing! Fear of movement forward can
be paralyzing. Don't let it paralyze you... Becoming vulnerable in a relationship means allowing
the risk of being hurt but it also means allowing the chance of becoming happy again. The first
relationship we need to experience is the one we have with ourselves. After all, if you don't like
yourself, how can we expect anyone else to like us. How can we truly like anyone else if we don't
like who we are becoming.

Many of us have learned that we are truly good people and wish to give that goodness to those
that need it, want it and are willing to give it back. But then, Mistrust sneaks in and causes
havoc. We must learn trust, faith be willing to take the risk of getting hurt but again, the risk of
getting hurt can also be the risk of finally finding happiness... After all, if we aren't willing to
take the risk, we may never find the happiness that is waiting for us!...
More later...

DoeWalker:

Very well said! Learning to like myself took a long time as my thought patterns were used to
negative input and the positive stuff did not filter into my emotional level. Now, I am even
comfortable with myself. Due to my innate nature, I trusted but I also trusted those not worthy of
trust over and over again. Plus, abuse does take its toll on a person and for that reason I was in a
very abusive relationship.....a few times. I finally asked why I allowed myself to get into these
horrific relationships, and I realized, finally, I was a victim, but I didn't have to remain that way.
I always held onto my hope for peace, I think it's what kept me alive, I am an idealist, and a
healer, and am drawn to causes which touch my heart. At times they involve people, and I give
them the benefit of the doubt, but I know what red flags mean now and I know who to expend
my energy on. I try to find the positives in the negatives, so, by having gone through life living
with trauma, I can honestly say I still have faith peace will prevail, and because of my past I
really learned to know, understand, and like myself and find I can see more good in people, and
be there at a deeper level for people who are hurting and need a hand, a shoulder, or someone to
listen to them.

Jimmy WhiteBear:

What does changing "Old Tapes" really mean? Changing Old Tapes mean that why begin
learning new things to break old patterns of behavior, thinking, attitudes, values, morals that
have lead us into chaos and continually wreaks havoc in our lives. Old morals can be things that
have caused us to get into situations that have caused us much pain and regret. Using that as an
example of changing old tapes we now turn to changing the way we think and feel about life...

FireStarter/Karen:

HEY!!!
I am changing a tape as we speak!
LOL!
it is fun and exciting to see what waits on the other side.
I love risk takers.
And, I am willing to take them!
You all have a wonderful day!

WhiteBuffaloWoman:

Firestarter, Watching your growth for the last 3 years, You are not only changing tapes, you
have changed from an eight-track player to a MP3 player. Just keep on downloading the new
scripts and purging what doesn't work. By the way, keep loading back in what does work.

Minna:

Old tapes to new tapes. This made me remember. After Iwas separated from my emotionally
abusive husband, and after I had been doing the counseling and AA thing and so on for a while -
there would come a time to make a decision about something. It would be a happening, or a
feeling, a situation or a relationship - and I would feel scared - like there was no support, no
webbing around me. I would feel like I was kind of floating in a void.

It was a very strange feeling of having no anchor, no relational ties to rely on. Then would come
a moment of recognition and surprise and happiness - I figured out that this was freedom. I
wasn't on 'auto-submissive-victim-pilot' any more.

I had no (ok - at that situational moment - not like I was permanently 'fixed' or anything) -
anyway - I had no preconceived ideas or tapes playing and was FREE to make a choice as to
how I would react. I could actively use my mind and heart to choose - not automatically react -
choose how I would be to the situation or person.
It was amazing.

So, when something would come up, and i would feel that airy scary feeling - and I would
recognize that i was no longer operating from my standard ‘I am screwed' base - but from a place
of freedom to choose - it just felt so good and happy.

This is in the Elder's Meditation for today. I thought about this thread - it says -
"It is a native tradition to sit in a circle and talk-to share what is in your heart."
--John Peters (Slow Turtle), WAMPANOAG

The talking circle is also a listening circle. The talking circle allows one person to talk at a time
for as long as they need to talk. So much can be gained by listening. Is it a coincidence that the
Creator gave us one mouth and two ears? The power of the circle allows the heart to be shared
with each other. What we share with each other also heals each other. When we talk about our
pain in the circle, it is distributed to the circle, and we are free of the pain. The talking circle
works because when the people form a circle, the Great Mystery is in the center.
My Creator, give me the courage to share, and the courage to listen.

FireStarter/Karen:

Ho! and, ((((WhiteBuffaloWoman/SONJA)))))
WhiteBuffaloWoman:
Right back at you Karen…Who loves you sister?

Jimmy WhiteBear:

LOL, I knew Slow Turtle and he was a very gruff, hated white people old fart. He Dropped his
robe about 5 or so years ago, Smoked too much. But He was responsible for a lot of native pride
here in Massachusetts. He started organizations that are still working for the people as we
speak! Even though he has crossed to the other side, his memory and his work live on.

Vicki EastTexas:

I've come in here several times wanting to post and not knowing what to say.
I have been healing from PTSD. I am a birth mom from the 70's. I became pregnant at 15 and
was sent away to an unwed mothers home to have my baby. My parents moved while I was
away. After having my son and forced to relinquish him for adoption, I was told to forget and go
on with my life. The records were and still are sealed. I came home to a new home, new school
and new friends.

Then seven years ago I was doing some genealogy research when I stumbled onto an adoption
search site. This began the emotional rollercoaster ride of my life. I started to search for my son.
Along with the search came flashbacks and nightmares of the birth and signing the papers. I
found my son February 23, 1999. We have talked but have not met face to face. 2 1/2 years ago
he stopped talking to me. I know one of these days we will meet. I'm am learning patience.
My healing started about five years ago when a groups of birth moms got together with Heather
Carlini, a Counselor and Clinical Hypnotherapist and reunited Birthmother. She has written a
few books, "Adoptee Trauma" and "Birth Mother Trauma". She took us through several steps on
starting our healing. They have really helped me. She now has classes for those wanting to
become certified counselors. My goal is to become a Post Adoption Counselor to help other birth
moms and adoptees.
Thanks Bear for starting this....

DoeWalker:

Loved the quote, Minna! I knew I had to change the last time I thought I wanted to end it all, but
I decided it was not going to happen because someone was abusing me, I would somehow make
it. I always called it a filter, allowing positive thoughts to enter my negative world. At the time, I
could not focus on myself, so I took to the earth once again. That in itself was a change for the
better. I found a treasure each day, a special rock or whatever and held it near and dear. It was
great to find something like that, Sometimes it would take all day, but it didn't matter. I began to
see my connection once again with myself, something which had somehow gone away for a time.
I found this as a positive about myself. Each day I am grateful to have a wonderful new husband
who is everything I have ever thought of; we have always been together, we both know this now.
Knowing the animals chose me to live with, warms my heart. I have done much to clean my attic
and have taken down the dark drapes which once hid the light. It's a fantastic feeling, and, no
matter what happens, I know I shall never go back. That's my changing the tape story.

Jimmy WhiteBear:

Hi Vicki,
I can't imagine the pain you must have gone through but it makes me happy to know that your
healing is progressive. Starting this thread was to help me compete the process and so to speak. I
don't think the healing is ever complete but the ways in which we deal with things most certainly
change. Your son may not be talking with you now but somewhere in the future he will contact
you, expect it! Love ya.

FireStarter/Karen:

Hi Vicki.
Your story is close to my own.
And, though my Son does not speak to me either, but my Daughter does.
I was in the adoption program in Northern IL, the one Bob Hope used to adopt his children.
Sometimes there's so much healing to do in our own lives it feels like there’s no way I'll get it all
done in this life......though, there's always the next, huh?
I think your desire to help these women is so beautiful.
There were times the thought of helping others through what I have been through was the only, I
do mean, only, thing keeping me holding on.
Me, I lived my life in faith........like the movie "field of dreams".
Build it and they will come.
So, every day I made a place for my children.
Faith is a really, really, beautiful thing...it actually creates.
Well, Sister Vicki, it is certainly nice to know you better...thanks for sharing yourself, so I had a
place also to share with you.
Some days when I think this sacred place can’t get any better, IT DOES!
Namaste, deeply felt,

Earthwalker:

Just some thoughts as I have read through all of your stories.
To me, we can choose to view fear as an enemy or as a friend. As an enemy we run from it and
become the victim of circumstance or war etc. Yet, I believe there is another way. It is to turn
around, look directly at the face of fear, and make a conscious choice to in regards to how to live
in the presences of that fear for whatever time that is to be. In other words, to choose to live your
own way in the absence of fear while letting fear be a guide that reminds us to make conscious
and balanced choices. When we choose to live in this manner, we are free. Freedom isn’t
removing problems in life. Isn’t it really choosing how to live in spite of them. TO me healing is
turning to face the fears, choice is the path through them.

FireStarter/Karen:

...and then, just as i posted that I went far into my South place.....but, you know?....we who live
with great sadness, it is the little things that fill us with such love and joy.....
2 baby chicks were born here on OUR farm several days ago.
No one will take these babies, they are mine to love as the Mother allows.
And, Mothers who come into my store with their babies, oh, they share their babies with me and
for the moment I hold those babies, they are mine.
We are all Mothers and Aunts and Uncles to all the little ones of the Earth.
Oh, and soon to be Grandmothers!!!!
Vicki, if you lived close to me I would share my coming Grandchild with you.
Though, in Spirit, I do.
Vicki, you and I belong you know, to a very, very, strong group of Spirit women.
I was accepted into the Indian women’s circle who all had their children taken away and
adopted to white families.
We stick together and are indeed strong together.
Ho!

Jimmy WhiteBear:

During group therapy today I had three or more guys start taking about abuse issues growing up.
I have two that openly talked about a lot of the stuff I went through and one being abused
physically by his mother. He said, she would come home late at night from work and while he
was asleep she would beat him with large decorative wooden spoons that hung on the wall. All
of them said that whenever mom visited them know they became very tense and hyper alert.
They talked about the Love/hate relationship they have with them. Very heavy group for first
week clients. We'll talk about it more tomorrow if they choose, they may want to keep it light.
They also get their first meditation class in the morning so we will see what happens.
Whenever we get into heavy therapy sessions like this, generally the next session is a lot lighter.
Its emotionally draining!... We'll see where they want to go with it tomorrow?

CinnamonMoon:

They're in good paws, Bear!

FireStarter/Karen:

Man, I was just reading and read my old post there about "nobody taking my baby chicks"....HA!
In the year I have had my chickens I leave the coop door open accidentally ONE time and went
out and they were eaten.
I have no clue what ate them, no telling really.
All my adults were fine though, they had to watch their young being eaten.....yup, they were
eaten right in the coop.
This is a "who knows" and "we'll see" life, isn’t it.
It's a savage world we live in.
One of my favorite words....savage.
lol.
You all have a good one.

Jimmy WhiteBear:

Hi Karen, Sorry to her about the chicks. Look around, if you see paw prints that resemble little
hands, it is a raccoon. If not, could be a rat, weasel, fox. They'll all go after the easiest to catch
and if they are full, they will leave the rest alone.
If it was just a kill, nothing eaten, dog, skunk etc.

FireStarter/Karen:

Hi Bear.
There is hay in the coop so no prints, though, ya know what I was thinking?
My cats, 3 of them, love and live and sleep with the chickens in the daytime....but....
it was dark/night and my cats ARE cats and those little ones were the perfect size.....they were
eaten, all except for the heads and feathers, and doesnt look like the brains were sucked out
(sorry for the crudeness) .
The cats have killed predators that come for the chickens.....they killed an opossum and drug the
big body up to the door!
I just have a feeling their natural night instinct took over.
I had to laugh ya know....one of my repeated lessons is "don't call anything black or
white"....because I will show you grey and all the colors in between.
Geez!
Have a good one Bear!

WolfScout1:

I just read this whole thread thru. I'm disabled thru SSA with PTSD and Atypical Anxiety attacks.
It got so bad at one point i was blacking out . I then sought disability and was bed ridden for 6
months wallowing in depression. lost lots of weight... very sick. then i began to realize that just
the drugs they tried on me was of little use. I began to go back to my path of seeking Native
American knowledge. this lead me to others online who pushed me down a path now as
shamanic in nature. I've become a Holistic Health Practitioner, wife started a business in this.
but am I cured. no. I deal with it daily but therein lies the healing abilities that i have been urged
to share when asked. so much in this thread that I've seen and felt first hand. it's no joke being
disabled in such a manner. Makes one feel totally useless. even on good days one can spiral
down quickly. friends and family mean the world. and spirit means the universe. thanks for
letting me post and for reading.

WilderWitch:

I read through that first page- and now the tears are here-I'll be reading more because I'm sure
Bear has spoken more of his journey and I really need to read it-But the rage thing-that rage
thing- it's getting me

I've read about using exercises to help turn your anger into something positive and how to do that
in a pagan way-(actually a really good book- Pagan Anger Management by Tammy Sullivan)
But I haven't been able to find the source of my rage- and I do have rage-you'd think it was the
abusive husband I left 8 years ago-that might be it- but I think it goes deeper- I think it goes
somewhere to a feeling of having no choices and no control - being told what to think and then
finding out I didn't have to think that way and thus the feeling that it was wrong for me- was in
fact correct

I know that some of the rage comes from having helped bring back my ex-husband from a car
crash that should have killed him- It didn't because in part- I laid hands on him for days until he
came out of his coma-but that's when the hitting and hurting started so I felt like- I did what- to
be what? then to be told by my at that time father that because I hid the fact- the "church"
wouldn't sanction my divorce-I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that I had some really
screwed up times in my past- where things happened that were horrible- just as the rest of you
have

And now there is this rage- and dealing with that rage is from where I heard the call to be or
practice shamanism-It was a literal call inside me-but the rage is still there- and just reading the
part Bear- Jimmy wrote about "why am I angry? where is it coming from?" Those are my
questions too- even now-Now- I teach karate (which made me smile with the green belt thing
Jimmy- I was 7.5 months pregnant when I tested for green and I didn't make that test either and I
got mad too and wouldn't except the belt because of the one missed move- Sensei thought I
deserved it anyway- I didn't so I tested over again).

But I went from an abusive husband - to saving my son and myself- leaving that COAST and
flying across the country to the East Coast where none of my family know where I am (well they
do now) but I haven't spoken with them in over 7 years because of the toxicity level of the
relationships-I "thought" I'd forgiven them all- (though I cannot allow their toxicness around
myself or my children that would be like going BACK to the war so to speak)

I thought I'd helped myself through the pain of doing the battered wife syndrome bit because
hey- I can kick a bit of A- now with testing for my second degree soon and having now been
teaching for a couple years- I can hold my own so shouldn't THAT have helped the rage? Then I
heard the call to shamanism-It matched so completely to what I "thought" I should be doing to
heal myself that I've been amazed with my journey-but I'm still angry-I'm still on the verge- even
though- I'm now a martial artist- as well as a business owner- as well as practicing my own
spirituality-I addresses all the things that I "thought" I was upset about inside-but the rage hasn't
gone anywhere- it's still there

I'm still working on exercises and places that I can release that anger- because things HAPPEN
when I release that anger so I have to be careful-know what I mean? OK I'm going to read on and
see if the answers are further inside the topic- but what I had read already- hit me so closely that
I had to post what I was thinking-Thank you Jimmy White Bear-Knowing that I'm not aloneeven
if I haven't been diagnosed- helps - Jimmy

WhiteBear:

Hi Wilder,
The rage is many things, it is the loss of control, the fear that went along with being beaten by
someone you love and not knowing if you could or would survive the beating you were going
through and waiting for the next time hoping it will never happen.

The fear is something I experienced for many years until I was able to stand up to the SOB that
caused that fear. The rage came because I swore no one would ever beat me again and I became
mean. My self-esteem, self-worth and self-respect seemed non existing. I was into drugs and
alcohol to stop the pain and quiet the anger but it turned on me and it got worse.

I got married for the second time and my children and spouse took the worst of my mouth had to
offer. I longed for some sense of control in my life and couldn't find it anywhere until I was ready
to put away the dope and booze and begin facing what I had been through.

My father use to beat the hell out of us on a regular basis for small stupid things and if it was a
big thing, we hurt for days. I had to forgive him, doesn't mean I forgot because it is something we
can't forget . But I began to understand that he was sick and had no help. He drank away his
problems only to have them turn on him as well. He died a very unhappy man because of his
behavior. I did not want to follow in his footsteps. I had to change my thinking, my attitudes, my
behaviors and deal with the feelings and emotions that I tried to hide away. It takes time, I am
still in therapy and I allow myself to call him "The meanest son of a bitch i ever met!" But I
forgive him.

No it still doesn't make it right by any stretch of the imagination. But I have been through this, I
accept that and I can move on with help from my therapist, friends and most of all I can move on
because I am a survivor and so are you. If there is anything I can do to help you move through
this, please feel free to post it, or send me an inbox and we will exchange e-mail addys. You are
going to be okay! You are a survivor and don't forget that!
With respect.

WilderWitch:

Thank you Bear- I don't want to be filled with rage- and I've really been looking to my practice
of shamanism- and the martial arts to see how to release it-So I've certainly been trying-but little
things come back that tell me I haven't dealt with things or some other aspect-like the religion by
itself- when I was growing up I was forced to believe a certain way- I was so innocent I
completely believed and that created such a wound that only shamanism and eclectic ness could
help heal because I had to find faith again- my own- and in this path- you can do that and heal
and it's real- you aren't just listening to someone else- so the faith comes from inside

Ya know- thinking about that other post too- when it comes to dealing with the masculine side- I
was pretty angry at God that he wouldn't just tell us the truth-I was angry that he'd allow people
to convince other people that there wasn't any choice and some of those people really try to force
you to mess with other people and-hmmm- that's striking a nerve down in there- that I'll have to
look at too-But your post here has meant a great deal and it helps to know that that rage inside- it
isn't our fault.

Betsemes:
Sorry for getting so late in the conversation. Just want to provide a link.
www.emofree.com/ptsd.htm

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