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Drugs
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By Lune
Hello all, I haven't been
around for a long while, not least because I was trying to figure
out whether I was going to keep living, or if it was my time
to die. I got that figured. I am here to stay for a good while
now!
But part of the keeping on living
bit involved a lot of pain, a week in hospital and emergency
surgery. And all that week I was constantly on morphine for
the pain. Mostly oral, a bit muscle injected and a bit intravenous
(an experience I won't forget in a hurry. erk)
But it had a weird effect. All through
this stuff, I had really clear guidance. Like I mean the morning
of the operation I had Spirit - or as I think of Spirit, the
Goddess (my goddess!) standing by my bed and telling me very
clearly all this stuff. And again when I was on intravenous
antibiotics. (Another weird experience!) But by the same token,
I could feel lots of stuff unravelling in me. Like the morphine
makes you super detached, and with the detachment comes an unwinding
of ... constructs I had built up through my life, both good
and bad.
Anyway. It was a week ago I came
home. Been on codeine up until the last day or so, which has
its own weird effect. But there was a day where I felt awful.
Like nothing had any meaning in my life, or related to any other
bits. Again, like everything was detached from everything else.
I think it must have been withdrawal, from what an ex psychiatric
nurse told me once.
And then, this is the even weirder
bit. Today I did a mini reading for a friend of mine. The guide
that was helping me was one who I can hear crystal clear, and
have done for most of my life. He is Maori and when channeling
I start sliding into a kiwi accent.
But I couldn't hear him! I could
see him, and get a few pictures and a bit of sense of what he
wanted to say. But it was a charade of guessing. Nod head when
getting warm. Shake head when guess wrong.
What happened? He seemed to think
it was the Morphine, that it had somehow unwound the construct
of the channel for me to hear him that we had built up over
the years. I guess the visuals were a deeper, more innate connection.
I tend to be strongly visual. So it seemed that the hearing
is something we have worked on that I have built a bridge to
do, and the morphine took that away - and a lot of other stuff
too, like I said, good or bad. Kai - my guide - was quite serene
about it. I think he is perfectly confident there is nothing
in this world or any other that can interfere with our communication
for long. I guess I just have to rebuild the construct.
But does anyone have any similar
experiences?
Does anyone have any light to shed on my experiences?
And was Spirit/the goddess so clear all through it because of
the drugs or just... because I was walking close to the Otherworlds?
And what about this strange unravelling of things. Like... old
patterns of stuff. Was that gonna happen with an experience
like that anyway - talk about a shaman's death!!! was the morphine
just helping it along? or was the morphine incidental?
I would love to hear if anyone has
experiences that might help me understand my own.
Jimmy WhiteBear:
My experience with narcotics
is somewhat limited, I was one to use amphetamines. Anyways,
no matter what the drug, drugs have a tendency to block all
communication with the spirits. My experience with Narcotics,
it seemed all I had to do was think about something and the
picture of it would appear in my mind’s eye. I later learned
that what I was experiencing was called "Opium Dreams".
Basically an opium induced hallucination.
All the drugs prevented me from understanding
any communication from the spirits and because of that, I denied
any communication at all. Actually, what communications came
through really scared the hell out of me. Of course back then
everything scared me. I am careful today when I have to take
meds of any kind. I don't let myself get so disconnected.
Glad you’re feeling better and
you will open to the spirits more as the drug leaves the body.
FireStarter/Karen:
Good
Morning Lune.
I also am very glad you are better.
In reading your story I have to believe in the Spirit theory
more than the drug theory myself.
I am just one who more easily believes.
I suppose it is your choice what has happened to you.
Faith makes it so.
When you mentioned shamans death......it rang a bell as similar
to mine, though a different route.
But, the unravelling, yup.
Totally unraveled. (nodding head)
So, so,
glad you are here to share your story and yourself.
SwanFeather:
((((Lune)))) So glad to see
you here and even happier that you made your choice to stay!
This is WhiteFox/StarDreamer, btw...had
another name change recently. I am so sorry to hear you've had
such difficulties, but you sound as if you have made the turn
with your unraveling experience.
I really can't speak from experience
on this because I don't believe I've ever been on morphine,
which is weird, considering all the surgery I've had in my life.
Or if I had, it was only for the day after surgery. I don't
know. You see, I do not like the feeling of being "out
of control" of myself. Hah! That explains a lot! I get
off any narcotics for pain ASAP. Rather have the pain. Let's
me know I'm healing. But that's me...and I'm weird. And a nuisance
to those around me when I'm healing because I'm so blinkin'
stubborn.
However, personally, I wouldn't exclude
an experience such as yours, just because you were on drugs.
Who's to say what Spirit will use upon our path to open our
eyes to what we need to see?
For some, morphine dreams after surgery
may be part of that path. And for others, it may be the addiction
to the drug. Yes, drugs alter the mind, but do they alter the
spirit? I don't think so. We are led where we must go. Your
experience afterward, I believe, may be partly a shift of energy
that you must integrate and balance after your experience...along
with the added physical needs of the body in healing.
Give yourself time, Lune. You've been
through a life-changing experience on many levels. Healing and
integration will come as you need it. Trust Spirit and your
guides to show you what you need to know about your experience.
And trust what you know about your own spirit.
May Spirit embrace you in his gentle
Wings and provide you with all you need for the continued healing
of mind, body and spirit.
Lotus:
(((Lune)))
Wonderful
to see you and know you are OK!
The
closest I can relate to what you ask was having an Near Death
Experience during my last surgery. The doctors later told me
they believed it was induced by the meds ... I on the other
hand don't believe that to be the whole truth.
It
was definitely life altering. Sorry hon, I couldn't be of more
help.
Mouse:
(((((((Lune)))))))
It's always good
to see you again! My experiences of watching others on morphine
is that the connection with this dimension just goes. Poof.
For
some it is the turning point, in which they leave this dimension
and this body. For others it is the place where they can heal
in spirit, while not experiencing the turmoil their bodies are
going through.
My experience
with other meds (never been on morphine) is that I distance
myself from the ego, or even from my personality once. The limitations
of this current life just no longer bound me, and the connection
with the other dimensions was very strong. I wasn't just slipping
in and out between the two, it was as though I was witnessing
this life from an entirely different place. It's not devoid
of feeling, it's just devoid of emotion and of fear. To me,
it felt like the ideal witness position, and I'd like to attain
that state without the meds but from this side.
I still use my
energy signature in that other place to travel there when needed,
when I need to really step out of the 3D limited picture and
take a birds' eye view.
I'm glad to hear
that you've decided to stay for a good long time still Lune.
I was given that choice
in 1998. I chose then: "I am a child of Light, I am a child
of Love. Bring me back." And it was so.
CinnamonMoon:
(((Lune)))
Wow! What a time you've had, no wonder you've been so quiet.
I can't recall a morphine experience myself, I had one with
ether though and I've been there all the same. It's jiggle time
for the reconnecting so that you can realign more appropriately
for the choice you've made...good choice, my sweet friend! Email
me, we'll talk. Love you! It's wonderful to see you here!
Lune:
That description of what
you have seen of people on morphine matches what I experienced.
That healing you mentioned was really what was happening with
the unravelling feeling. From that position of not being connected
to here, the hurty bits in my spirit had nothing fueling them
anymore, so they kinda ... unraveled.
But by the same token there was
nothing fueling the good constructs either.
But also from that position it is
like I saw the entire picture of who and what I am as a soul.
It is breathtaking, and also comforting.
Yup, that is making some sense of
it. Thanks.
*smiles*
I know I saw a woman close to death
with bowel cancer and she was on morph and looking at her, what
you described was like what I saw in her.
And as for the choice to stay, I
had it explained that I had finished what I came here to do
in this incarnation and that is why it was time to die. But
then someone intervened on my behalf to give me a choice to
stay or go, and I chose to stay, just to have fun. My life till
now has been full of suffering - the physical stuff and a lot
of PTSD - I was reading that thread on PTSD with my jaw dropped
LOL!. I stayed to have a nice time now, and also write many
books!!!
Reptilist:
I
tend to believe that for most people, drugs cause delusions...While
real, honest, spirituality is the result of humble lucidity.
Meth for example, often sends its users spinning into a psychosis
of religious delusion...which could possibly be an effect of
having had a glimpse into another dimension. But then, lacking
rational guidance, the experiences lead one to believe in a
type of self-importance, an 'ethereal destiny', if you will...which
is the delusion. I know in the bible the use of drugs to achieve
spiritual communion is forbidden. Whenever my spiritual self
has been most evident, drugs were not involved. I am always
having a chuckle, when after regaling someone with tales of
my personal spiritual experiences, they respond with an accusation
that I was under the influence of something..."What you
been smoking?". Nothing could be further from the truth.
Lune:
"All the drugs prevented me from understanding any
communication from the spirits"
Yeah! That is what I found when i
journeyed once while stoned - marijuana. It was so vivid, amazing
and seemed full of portent and meaning.
It was just that I couldn't figure
out the meaning. So compared to no drugs the journeys and their
meaning were crystal clear and often coming with transformational
impact, no-drug journeys won hands down!
But this is something different.
I think the more I come to understand it, the more it seems
like a near death thing. Like I was walking very close to the
otherworld for a couple of months so the messages were coming
though really, really, clearly. I am just trying to understand
the role of the morph.
Hey thanks for sharing your experience,
and also like I said to Cedar Rose, I was reading the thread
you started. What a great thing you did to share that and start
that thread!
Have you had near death experiences?
I thought they would come under the
people I was replying to.
The first one was for Mouse and the
second was for Jimmy WhiteBear.
So I will put more replies here:
Lotus, I looked up near death experiences on the net when Kerry
Packer (Some Aussie media magnate) died the other week. A few
years ago his heart stopped for 8 minutes and he told some interviewer
that "The good news is there is no hell and the bad news
is there is no heaven. There is nothing"
So it sent me on a net search and
what I found was amazing. There was a site with many, many,
"NDE's" people had sent in. That made me feel so much
more normal! And the other thing I found interesting was a Lancet
article of scientific research into NDE's or heart attack victims.
These people were having NDE's who were clinically dead at the
time. If you are interested, I lost the URLs but they wouldn't
be hard to find with a search.
Swan feather and Cinn, I hadn't thought
about that realigning thing. Everything is changed, so it stands
to reason there is a lot to be aligned into a new pattern. I
can't even remember the old properly even if I wanted to LOL!
And Cinn, I will email you hopefully
today. (((hugs)))
Firestarter Thanks for sharing. It
helps to hear of others with similar experience. In this case
the unravelling.
And Repillist, I agree generally
about drugs. But I want to know what you mean about the meths
and the "ethereal destiny" and your feeling it is
the delusion. Do you have a specific example or two?
I would think we all have an "ethereal destiny" but
are you saying the meths gives them a glimpse but when back
here it is warped?
StarBearWalking:
Greetings and Welcome back
I was in the hospital for a sever anxiety attack, (this was
a few years ago) it acted like a heart attack, they gave me
morphine. Good stuff to leave your body with. I was all over
the hospital I asked a naturalist friend of mine why, he said
morphine deadens all feeling in the body. He wasn't surprised
I astral projected all over the hospital. For the last couple
of years I have been asking why some cultures use mind altering
drugs or techniques (breath work opened a whole new world for
me) What I've seen, and this is just my humble opinion, is some
humans can't let go of their egos without help. Simple. I'm
not trying to be judgmental I enjoy visiting other dimensions
and wouldn't begrudge others that enjoyment. I do recommend
a safe environment Lune, I'm so glad you are with us.
Reptilist:
Lune...I
consider "drugs" to be catalysts of awareness for
some people. And only that...The problems occur when people
continue to use the drugs, as if the door to learning would
open wider yet...But that is not the case. What happens next
with continued use is a delusion of heavenly purpose...It's
the old allure of being somebody important. When in fact, real
spiritual awareness has the opposite effect...One learns to
be a fiber in the cloth; no more, no less. Humility precedes
wisdom, feeling "special to God" is a delusion...(and
that is how drugs make a person feel...special.) Meth is really
bad that way because it is so addicting on other levels as well...It
grabs hold and drags a person right into an obsession or a delusion,
always to the Nth degree!
I think
it can be said for many folks on that path that, 'they're so
heavenly minded they ain't no earthly good'.
Lune:
Terra! I get it now, it is you. When I first came back I
looked at all the new names and thought oh no! But I am glad
to see some people have just changed names. Was the name change
in spirit or simple an ez-board thing?
Morphine... deadening the feelings
in the body? Well I could still feel the pain, but the pain
just didn’t matter. Neither did anything else! But that
is possibly semantics. Funny how the moment the connection to
the body goes, for whatever reason, the soul goes walkabout.
There was an 82 year old lady with
a broken hip in the bed next to me, she would have been on morphine
too. The last night, (I had shielded my alcove because um...
yeah there was a lot of wandering going on in that hospital.)
I woke up because her spirit was trying to wander through my
shields. I was so startled I said "Get back in your body
NOW!" In my best schoolteacher tones learnt from my schoolteacher
mum. Boy did it work. And her spirit didn't get back out while
I was there. Interesting thoughts
about drugs and ego.
Reptillian, I think I fundamentally
disagree with you, but then again I may be misunderstanding
you. You say with spiritual growth one learns to be a fiber
in the cloth, no more no less. But without said fiber, there
is no cloth. No more no less either. How important is that?
I think that is special to god.
Are you referring to a feeling of
being more important than other people? Then I agree, all threads
in the cloth are as important as the other. No more, no less.
What you are describing in terms
of delusions sound more to me like a mental illness, not a spiritual
insight. But where is the line between the two? As far as I
can understand the line seems to be culturally defined. And
to me that is one of my definitions of mental health, not feeling
more important, or less than another person. And for 'they're
so heavenly minded they ain't no earthly good'. That's brilliant!
How can I have gone almost 30 years without ever hearing that??
WolfSpirit:
Lune,
Although I cannot speak about drug induced journeys, as apart
from the occasional (and I mean occasional ) wacky-backy ciggy,
I haven't really experimented with drugs or had need of meds.
But I can relate to the experience of unravelling and also to
deciding to stay.
When my dad died
a couple or three years ago, I went through a pretty bad time:
more anger than grief, but a bad time all the same. For months
I had this feeling that I "wasn't here" and nothing
mattered: either spiritually or in the mundane. I took loads
of time off work (which, given I was self-employed and didn't
earn if I didn't work was not a good plan! But somehow that
didn't seem important to me at the time).
One day towards
the end of the "wasn't here" period I went for a walk
in the countryside near my home. As I was walking up the lane
that leads back to the house, I got a really strong sensation
that I was being asked whether I wanted to Live. I didn't know
what the options were, but I decided to Live.
I got a new guide
pretty shortly after and things have been on the up, spiritually
and in my mundane existence ever since.
The unravelling
has continued and continues to do so: it seems to gather pace.
I would say that this unravelling is a good thing, as I have
found that since those days shortly after my dad died it has
been like "starting again". But that starting again
seems more purposeful: like we know where we went wrong last
time and we are more aware of where we need to be going this
time.
Good luck with
the books!
Jimmy WhiteBear:
I don't folks, When I was
into drugs, I could never tell the difference between vision
and hallucination. This is as simple as knowing that Drugs interferes
with communication on all levels. Physically, mentally/emotionally
and spiritually. I enjoyed every trip with acid, peyote, mescaline,
speed, DMT, pot to name a few.
My first contact with the spirits
was under the influence of speed and pot and absolutely scared
the hell out of me. I ran and didn't go back to the sacred ground
for well over twenty years.
It wasn't until I started getting
messages in sobriety that I decided to pursue and then it was
only with the advice of someone I trust.
It doesn't matter what the drug is.
It blocks communion with the spirits. I see people every day
that are spiritually bankrupt because of the damage done by
drugs and alcohol. There are only three places drugs and alcohol
can take you--- Jail, institutions and death and that’s
no Bull.
In the traditional way, the elders
strongly suggest that anyone who has taken drugs, been under
the influence of drugs/alcohol wait 4 days before taking part
in any ceremony.
That’s from A to Z. we have numbed
ourselves to a point that the spirit within is unable to communicate
with us and they don't like being detached from the husk they
dwell in.
They understand that when we are sick,
in surgery etc. that we must use these chemicals, they only
ask that we respect them and not try to commune with them for
at least 4 days...
Think about it!...
Lune:
Hi bear! Usually I would
agree wholeheartedly with you on the subject of using drugs
to reach spirit. Although I respect the right for people to
walk their own paths in their own way, I think drugs do tend
to warp messages from spirit. But moreover, they can reap a
terrible toll on the person. I have personally seen this happen.
It was awful. It just doesn't work. Are you saying that everyone
is affected spiritually by drugs in the way you are? If so I
disagree in my case here. The guidance I was getting was clear,
direct and extremely important for me to be receiving.
This last sentence you wrote:
“They understand that
when we are sick, in surgery etc. that we must use these chemicals,
they only ask that we respect them and not try to commune with
them for at least 4 days...”
Suggests to me you and I have a very
different relationship to Spirit.
Over that period where I was so sick
I was surrounded by all my guides all at once, and one guide
of a friend of mine. The friend lived on the other side of the
country otherwise she would have been there physically too.
Her guide came in her stead!
There was no force in this world
or beyond that could have stopped these beings from being with
me at such a significant point in my life, let alone a few chemicals.
The idea that they not talk to me or communicate with me while
the drugs were in my system, or for 4 days afterwards seems
ludicrous to them.
These traditional laws are no doubt
there to protect people, but in the hands of someone as adept
at traversing the paths of spirit such as myself, the morphine
was but a tool wielded wisely to help my being effect the huge
transformation I needed. (So, come to think of it, was the surgeon's
little camera and lasers and whatever they use instead of knives
these days!)
Now look and be proud of me about
how confident I am about this compared to my first post. Everybody
here has helped me to that! Thanks!
StarBearWalking:
Greetings!
“It doesn't matter
what the drug is. It blocks communion with the spirits. I see
people every day that are spiritually bankrupt because of the
damage done by drugs and alcohol. There are only three places
drugs and alcohol can take you--- Jail, institutions and death
and that’s no Bull.”
I do agree with Bear
about the 'spiritually bankrupt.' I used alcohol to 'close the
doors' for many years. I respect other people’s choices
and traditions to use stimulates or to wait so many day for
traditional reasons. I am trying to find the way without artificial
stimulation. But am finding it hard to do. Breath Work releases
an endorphin in the brain and causes 'visions.' This path can
become addicting. In Sweat Lodge it is the heat that pushes
you out of body. And then to my point, outside stimulation is
one way to get me (ego) out of my own way.
Lune:
When you say breath work,
what do you mean?
StarBearWalking:
Greetings!
I did Holotropic Breath
Work a couple of years ago. It isn't a gentle breath. In a safe
environment with trained people, you breathe fast until an endorphin
is released from the brain. It was told to me that this is the
breath of the Mother, but I found it to be forced Kundalini
energy. Some people experience rebirth and this same breath
work is used in some rebirthing exercises. Most of the time
it's flopping around on the floor mumbling words no one remembers
IMHO!
My experience was a
little different. I became bear. I could feel my hands turn
to paws and the heavy coat of fur. I was taken into a cave and
told this was a Shamans practice and not to be available to
just any one who could pay for the knowledge. I was also told
I could proceed and I would be watched over. I lay there so
calm and peaceful. But I didn't go farther into it. I was given
enough information to process.
Once out of the vision
there are hours of coming down, again IMHO! Basically I was
numb still. It took months of thinking over this process in
which I was told by my group I was acting out in anger. I don't
believe I was, I was just asking question they didn't have answers
for. I had to go to the people who taught them to find out this
was indeed Kundalini energy. Anyway, it was just another way
to get ego out of the way so I could talk with my Elders. I
survived and I don't recommend this path.
Thus my journey to
find a way to communicate with the knowledge from the Otherside
without artificial stimulation. Which bring me back to Spirit
Lodge and Cinnamon's articles on Journeying. I find this to
be just as effective in communicating with the other side and
no nasty side effects. The work to get 'out of my own way' is
well worth the rewards in information.
I will say though that
when I was given morphine in the hospital I took advantage and
astral projected.
I didn't answer your
question about my new name. It was a journey to the stars and
a little help from a friend that gave me a new name. Okay I've
run off at the mouth long enough. Thanks everyone for letting
me flow.
Jimmy WhiteBear:
Hi Lune, Listen I am not trying
to be a wise guy here but if you truly believe that drugs can
help you connect, then all I can say is keep doing them. The
most spiritual experience I ever had while using was when I
seen what the Dope was doing to me, my family, my life.
A friend of mine said it best "They
don't call it Dope for nothing! No one ever said lets go out
and do some smarts!"
I give credit to the Native people of
the Southwest "The Native American Church" or the
Peyote religion. Done that!, Met Mescalito, thank him and haven't
touched it since!
The shamans that use pschotrophics to
Journey are better suited for this then I and I need to leave
it to those who can better handle it!...
Reptilist:
“I
give credit to the Native people of the Southwest "The
Native American Church" or the Peyote religion. Done that!,
Met Mescalito, thank him and haven't touched it since!”
Indeed!
That's what I'm talking 'bout.
Wynsong:
I'm
a lightweight in this category, having done no drugs other than
alcohol, and being so allergic to alcohol that even exposure
to my skin is only a few away from anaphylaxic shock...
I
have a question??....Is it possible that my fear of stepping
into my own wisdom/power is partially why I have such an adverse
reaction when most drugs are introduced into my system....and
why I absolutely refused to 'do drugs' in my teens and beyond?
I've never even tried Wacky tobaccy....although all of my kids
do.
I
couldn't stand Nitrous Oxide...and flipped the mask off my face
to the horror of my dentist....I'm just not fond of finding
myself floating without reference point on the ceiling (afraid
of heights I guess).
Migraine
meds left me looking for a place to crawl out of my body...I
doubt there is a migraine that could induce me to go back to
the hospital and let them do that to me again. Demerol gave
me horrific migraines. It started the 12 day one that sent me
to the hospital ... Being anesthetized takes me a week to shake
off....not wake up from, just get rid of the residual effects,
The strongest stuff I take is ibuprofen and a muscle relaxant,
which either just deals with the pain,
if I have a need to 'do', or if I am able to relax and let it
work fully, sends me to a place where I have no fear of being
not 'in control' and become a little child-like... I've never
really had to snap out of that place and resume living as me....and
often I only take it as I'm going to bed....
My
sister processes all drugs out of her system so fast they are
almost useless....and she is on a pile of drugs for chronic
pain....enough that she went toxic once from all of them in
combination. None of my family process alcohol all that well.
I'm
thinking here, that if there is a connection, it might be familial/maybe
generational.
Jimmy WhiteBear:
I can't tell you why you
or your family has a hard time processing alcohol. Could be
a genetic thing and probably is but our livers where not designed
to process alcohol, they were designed to filter the impurities
in our blood. Drugs and alcohol are Impurities, they are foreign
matter that messes up the liver and causes things like cirrhosis,
enlarged heart muscle, stomach and colon ulcers, etc... Too
much of anything hurts the body in more ways than we know! In
the native way we go to creator as pure and open as we can and
when drinking or using drugs, the impurities in our bodies block
that connection.
I think if you read Castanedas works,
he does not say the peyote brings him or them closer to god/creator,
he talks about the visions/hallucinations the drugs create and
how they try to interpret those vision.
I think Creator would much rather
have us touch him Clean and sober!...
Lotus:
Bear,
“I think Creator would much rather have us touch him clean
and sober!...” … Absolutely!
StarBearWalking:
A’ho!
to the clean and sober. Wynsong, some people have a very low
tolerance for drugs. I guess it would have its advantages and
its disadvantages.
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