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Reading everyone's discussion on
Ouija boards started me thinking about negative entities and
the darker sides of things. I didn't want to pop any question
on the forums that might offend or lead to stress/negativity
so I checked with Cinnamon first. Cinn thought it might be the
start of a very useful discussion, so here goes! The reason
behind it is I've had personal dealings with people following
dark paths over the years and at one stage I could have really
done with advice on how to protect myself from negative forces
and had no-one to ask. Got me wondering. What if others out
there ever get into similar situations? Where do you find help/advice?
I lived behind a black witch who
used to try to pester/unnerve me when I was in my teens. She
managed to shake me up a lot and I really had no-one to ask
advice of back then. My knowledge was rather limited. Seemed
like the only time you got any mention of stuff like this in
a Church situation they'd tell you to avoid it or pray. Avoidance
isn't always possible. Praying is a good idea, I've used that
once and it really worked, but sometimes you can find yourself
in situations where a bit more information or advice would be
helpful. During my 20s I ended up involved once again when we
had problems in my neighborhood with a satanic group. That time
it reached a stage of mild hysteria in our suburb with only
my mom and I being the sane ones who saw how silly people were
getting. When people don't understand something they can really
start to rev themselves up, something the darker side enjoys
as that's what it feeds off - all the negative emotions, but
especially fear, anger and ignorance.
Then later I ended up being more
personally involved after a family member, my youngest cousin,
chose this path. I've suspected that she's been dabbling in
such stuff since she was 13, but wasn't able to ask or do anything
about it due to other circumstances. Two years ago I met a friend-of-a-friend
who is setting herself up for problems by going to the opposite
extreme. She's very into "New Age" ideas. She firmly
believes there is no such thing as Darkness, that everything
is Good and everything happens to teach us and help us grow.
It's a lovely thought, but I was very worried when she started
using this idea as her basis when she tries to channel spirits.
She never protects herself. No cleansing, nothing. Just like
some people with an Ouija board only in this case she's offering
up herself as the tool. Since she's convinced everything is
Good she just opens herself up and put out the WELCOME mat to
her soul. Yes, I've tried talking to her about it, but she just
said I'm not enlightened enough to understand, that I haven't
reached her level of consciousness yet. Mmm... that was a time
where this Crow did some serious beak-clamping to avoid saying
something that might be regretted later! And my cousin? Well,
she's 22 now and no longer a kid. She's moved out on her own
I had been seeing more of her before I left South Africa. Seeing
enough to know she's getting into things that are messing up
Once when she got angry with me after
I pointed out a few things about her work record (she was fired
seven times in 2002 for having a bad attitude) I had a "visitor"
that night. Something about the size of a cat that bounced and
ran all over me in bed trying
to scare me. In the past that would have scared the h*** out
of me, but I'd experienced enough by that time to handle it.
I was too cross to be scared. I surrounded myself in light and
it left right away. Crabby said afterwards I should have rather
used the light to zap it's dark butt with a few lightning bolts.
:gun1 He's less tolerant of dark entities. He just wants to
bite them, Badger style! LOL I've tried talking to her, but
she just denies it or blocks me out. In the end I've had to
accept and walk away and hope that if my cousin ever does reach
a stage where she needs help she'll be able to find it. She
doesn't see that this "power" she's so smug about
isn't hers. It's not something that's feeding her spirit, it's
something that's feeding OFF her spirit. To me that's the big
give-away sign between good energy/entities and dark ones. If
you're involved with something that drains and takes from you
as much as it gives you power then you're mixing in "bad
company". Gifts from Creator/Spirit are always just that
- GIFTS - no strings attached. Well, that's the way I see it
Note: Cinnamon Moon has a great article
on The Ego of the Dark Path (Main section) which
I'd highly recommend as first reading for anyone with concerns
in this area.
2CrowWoman - Thank you for bringing
up this question! The reason behind it is I've had personal
dealings with people following dark paths over the years and
at one stage I could have really done with advice on how to
protect myself from negative forces and had no-one to ask. Got
me wondering. What if others out there ever get into similar
situations? Where do you find help/advice? I know for
myself there have been times when I was confronted by these
dark entities and ended being made miserable by their energy.
When I was young I had no one to talk to about what was happening...
even trying to talk about such occurrences would just get me
strange stares, blank looks, or worse... questions about my
sanity! In more recent times I have had good friends who understand
about these things and they have been wonderful sources of information
and support. And now I also have the community of Spirit Lodge
to ask for guidance and information. Over the years though I
have come up with and learned ways of detecting these entities
relatively quickly (i.e. it took me 14 years to realize my ex-husband
was as toxic as he is... but it only took me 4 months to realize
my now ex housemate was also toxic in many of the same ways
). There are some individuals that I recognize very quickly
are not health folk to be around so the relationship never gets
beyond the "hi, how are you" stage .... other folks
seem OK, or very nice, or even "Wow, what a wonderful person"
at first meeting but over time I begin to notice patterns of
behavior in them and in me that signal trouble. For me warning
signs include: 1-always feeling tired or drained when I leave
a particular person's presence 2-experience the other person
as intrusive, "nosy", judgmental, or always super
needy (i.e. always putting their needs first no matter what
else might be going on) 3-having "fix it" thoughts
about the person- i.e. me wondering, thinking, planning how
"fix" the other person -
this is a bad trait as it indicates judgmentalness on my part-
something I am not proud of. 4-finding myself becoming prickly,
defensive, or grumpy when in the other's presence- as that is
not my general nature this is particularly telling 5-finding
myself being evasive or withdrawn with the other person, being
unable or unwilling to be direct with him or her, and becoming
unwilling to share even day to day feelings and experience much
less soul-deep thoughts and emotions 6-having strange or frightening
dreams where this other person or a representation of them plays
a major part. 7-having an increase in illnesses such as headaches,
stomach aches, colds, or just generally feeling blah 8-having
feelings of suspiciousness about the other person's actions
and/or motives... Just because you're paranoid does not mean
someone is not out to get you. LOL (I recently found out that
the ex-housemate has been telling one of our coworkers that
she thinks I am a Satanist because of my using smudge and because
I like to drum and dance under the full moon ??????) Basically
it comes down to being mindful of the undercurrents of any relationship,
keeping one's danger radar on, and trusting one's gut instincts.
EaglesHand, Excellent list.
got me remembering a whole stream of toxic people there that
I'd forgotten about. The "drainers" and the "needy"
are those that personally make me run for the hills. I've had
too many experiences with both types and tend to bolt instinctively
now when I meet either.
a drainer that eventually sucked her ex-husband into a last
(of several) fatal heart attack. Never under estimate a drainer!
They seem so bland and even sweet, but they can suck you dry
and destroy you given enough time.
"needy" I ever met was the mother of a girl I used
to tutor. We became friends over time and she'd invite me over
for tea now and then. She seemed a nice woman, but she was very
fretful and highly strung. Everything got her panicky and anxious
and you were constantly having to soothe and calm her down,
which was very tiring.
one day whilst I was there a big thunderstorm blew up. Her three
daughters, all under 10, got very scared at the thunder and
lightning. So this woman called them all to her and had her
arms around the oldest two. All of them, including her, screaming
and crying every time there was lightning or thunder rumbled.
Total hysterics from all of them. The youngest daughter ran
over to me since her mom was occupied in screaming and crying
with her two sisters.
I got down
on the floor and told her that thunder was just clouds rubbing
against each other. Just like when I'd seen her at her sister's
party rubbing tow balloons together to make them squeek. She
stopped crying and started asking me questions about lightning
and rainbows and we got into a chat on how these things were
perfectly natural and not to be scared of. I glanced up at one
and the mother was GLARING at me. Total rage!! I was stunned.
She was actually angry that I'd calmed her daughter down and
stopped her crying!
kind of the end of our friendship. I kept in contact with the
eldest daughter I tutored for about a year longer, but visiting
them as a friend of their mom petered out after that. She realized
I wasn't the type to put up with her hysterics. I often wonder
how those kids grew up. They'd all be in their 20s now. I hope
they survived their mom's hysteria or find ways to deal with
once commented that she would have liked some house cleansing
ideas to "freshen up" a home after you have people
like that over. You know how it is, there's those toxic people
you can't avoid having in your home because they're related
to you or married to someone you like/care about. So you get
stuck with them in your house and when they leave you feel like
even the house is ready to pass out from mental/emotional overload!
smudging would be good, but I wonder if anyone uses any other
ideas. I'd be interested in those.
about you list and the people I remember I'd say that they come
in a range of "toxic" from 1 to 10.
1 - those
people that leave you irritable or down without any particular
reason. Just a niggly faint annoying feeling.
to 10 -
those people you don't even want to look at let alone talk to.
10 level I knew a guy years ago that I couldn't look in the
eye. He was into some very dark stuff and when he'd come into
the library where I worked I'd try to avoid having to do his
books as he made my hair stand on end. The feeling he gave me
was that I wanted to be invisible around him. I didn't want
him looking into my eyes because I knew he'd see that I knew
what he was. I didn't want that kind of recognition. Too much
like being a deer under a spotlight in hunting season!
to make yourself less visible is also a good trick if you can
manage it. I never knew that back then.
add that I have noticed that the same list of types you put
up applies online as well. I've met a fair range of toxic interneters
as well. They've sometimes been easier to pick up on, maybe
because you aren't distracted by physical appearance? Maybe.
My number 10 guy was stunningly handsome and I was the only
one that picked up he was seriously toxic. All the other female
library staff fell over their feet to fuss around him because
he looked like a model for one of those expensive men's colognes.
He was beautiful to look at and so they never looked any deeper.
the internet you don't get those distractions so maybe what
we are shows up quicker?
you're a really, REALLY, good liar I think most of us, quite
unconsciously, show our true natures when we write online.
thought I'd add a word or two from my own experience with Dark
"entities" of the Astral. Something I would like to
say about 2CrowWoman's comment regarding her "witchy neighbor"
not using any banishing or cleansing before channel spirits...In
my opinion, which is also the opinion of various authors and
experts on High Magick that I have encountered (yes...MR CROWLEY
INCLUDED!) believe this activity to be the worst kind of heresy,
Black Magick in the truest sense as they, and I, understand
it. The "medium" (that is all this person can really
be considered as, for there is no control over what comes in
or out of the "witch"...) opens him/herself up to
anything in his/her vicinity on the astral, and normally one
is surrounded by the astral junk of the lower sub-conscious,
the empty shells of nightmares, obsessions, un-formed astral
spirits and intelligences, that occupy the lower planes of the
Astral Light, and thus making body and mind open to possession.
of a GOD or ANGEL is something wholly different as you all might
now, they are pure and perfect form. This is why any practitioner
of theurgy worth his/her salt will use a banishing technique
before and after astral working and meditation, thus prohibiting
anything less that the pure and perfect Astral Light to enter
within his/her consciousness, unless She so desires for these
lesser entities to be invoked. This would serve very little
purpose as no benefit can be found in the astral junk of the
darker planes. No divine knowledge can be found therein. It
of dark entities is another matter. To bring the lesser devils
and demons of the Lower Astral to visible appearance outside
a banished sphere of protection, and them bring them under the
superior WILL of the MAGE, through the guiding authority of
his HOLY GUARDIAN ANGEL, is to master the thought-forms of the
lower self. Mastery over these demons is mastery of one's own
mind, they are the impure, unformed and undesired thoughts,
compulsions, obsessions, imprints and conditioning hidden from
sight in the sub-conscious mind of the MAGE. To see the dark
entities of another person running wild, as some here have witnessed
personally, is the sign of a wholly irresponsible practitioner
of Astral work, or to be more precise, BLACK MAGICK. It serves
no good to mankind, to does nothing good at all. It is JUNK!!!
and the poor soul who is responsible, due to the fact that the
universe balances everything evenly within itself, will receive
"karmic return" but will probably not see it due to
the obsessions that have filled the tortured mind, thus being
seen by others as moods, compulsions, obsessions, perversions,
and spirits are uncontrolled, these impure citizens of the lower
plane of the sub-conscious will run wild, then they could easily
be, and perhaps not intentionally, sent to scare and hurt others.
as protecting oneself from such destructive thought-forms or
entities, a banishing for some sort may be considered necessary.
But this should be done on the astral also, invoking the purest
of essences to enforce the circle of protection so that no entity
lower may cross, and are sent fleeing from the clean sphere
within the consciousness of the Magician. I read a book on this
subject by Dion Fortune, a member of the original Golden Dawn
Tradition, that is entitled "Psychic
(or something like that...) It provides interesting techniques
to repel psychic attack, although this is believed to be a rare
thing. Most of time, I have experienced these as unintentional,
merely being projected without the conscious knowledge of the
Hi Fratur Anhur, You make
some interesting points. Thanks for the input.
One thing though - you muddled two
different people there. The person who opened herself to channeling
without protection was a friend's friend and a New-Ager (for
want of a better "label") She doesn't believe in darkness.
The "witchy neighbor" was a black witch who was rumored
to have led a satanic coven in our town. From personal experience
I'd say those rumors were probably true.
I would agree with you and your "experts"
opinion that channeling without protection is dumb in the dumbest
I have my doubts about the "evocation
of dark entities" though. What's the point? As you say
yourself, to be in communication/contact with a god or angelic
entity holds far more pure power and is, ultimately, a far more
progressive experience. Although it is possible to control dark
creatures I can't see any purpose to that other than negative
ones. It's not like they'll obey you because they have your
best interests at heart. They'll obey you out of fear only.
So.. if that fear ever was to crumble? It would be like the
difference between someone who has a good relationship with
a loved pet and a lion tamer in the circus. The pet owner gets
his furry friend to obey, do tricks and protect him out of mutual
bonds of love. The lion-tamer uses fear and power, but any time
the lion can sense this power wobbling he will attack and gobble
the lion-tamer for tea! I think I'd rather be in a situation
where I don't have to keep my whip and chair ready 24 hours
I was once offered tuition to travel
on a path of power. Not immoral, but definitely amoral. Pure
power is very tempting to some, personally it's not my thing
and it wasn't hard to turn the offer down. The only reason I
bring this up is that I now know that the "teacher"
has serious problems in their life even though their psychic
abilities are phenomenal. So even on a path based on a concept
of Power above "good and evil" there can be dangers
in laying yourself too open to spiritual destruction. It's all
cause and effect I suppose, from Science to Spirituality.
To see the dark entities of
another person running wild, as some here have witnessed personally,
is the sign of a wholly irresponsible practitioner of Astral
work, or to be more precise, BLACK MAGICK. It serves no good
to mankind, to does nothing good at all. It is JUNK!!! and the
poor soul who is responsible, due to the fact that the universe
balances everything evenly within itself, will receive "karmic
return" but will probably not see it due to the obsessions
that have filled the tortured mind, thus being seen by others
as moods, compulsions, obsessions, perversions, etc...
Very well said! I wish I could send
that to my cousin, but I don't know if she would be ready to
Most of time, I have experienced
these as unintentional, merely being projected without the conscious
knowledge of the individual.
Yes, I have no doubt that the creature
that came from her anger was uncontrolled and unintentional.
She was struggling to hide the anger and that's probably why
it "leaked out" the way it did. Whatever she sent
was a pretty minor "nasty beastie" as it went without
a squeak when I told it to. My cousin was trying to be manipulative
at the time and I wasn't falling for it, hence her anger. She's
used to getting her own way and doesn't handle "no"
at all. Thanks again. Your replies have been very helpful.
2Crow Woman, Sorry about mixing up the identities of the individuals
you mentioned in your previous post, my memory can be considered
rather poor at this time, for reasons all too obvious (to me)!
your point regarding the evocation of spirits. I fear though,
that I have profaned this ART somewhat in my own small understanding
and ignorance resulting from my lack of experience on the matter.
Dabbling is one thing, but 30 years of experience is something
else entirely...I believe it all comes down to what these spirits
are? Something to be removed? Or...as I like to think...a demon
headed tiger mask for a big eyed kitten, who, through conditioning
on already unstable imprints, has been to look like a monster
and needs to be tamed and made to heal along the path of the
Higher Self. An arachnophobic may see a spider as a ghastly
beast, horrid, vile and dangerous, but the biologist may see
the beauty of nature, the incredible specializing power of nature,
a unique and beautiful little angel essence called Spider! Thanks
for sharing your opinions once more, they are always greatly
Hi Fratur, No problems with the mix
up. I tend to speed read myself and that brings its own problems.
I don't muddle or forget, I just overlook complete chunks of
relevant information! It's a bad habit so now I try to read
a person's post twice before replying to make sure I have got
the whole story.
Interesting point about the spirits.
I would agree with it to a certain degree. I do suspect that
a lot of "things" that roar in the dark look a LOT
smaller (and more sheepish) when you shine a bright light on
Hey, Great topic Crow! Im
rushing through tonight, but one thing Fratur said really pricked
my ears up as it is something i have often wondered:
Invocation of a GOD or ANGEL
is something wholly different as you all might now, they are
pure and perfect form.
How does one know that a god or angel
energy is actually what one is encountering? Just a thought....
The higher energy forms feel *lighter* warm, loving, and
good. The Dark energy forms feel *heavy* cold, challenging and
bad. It's in the energy signature.
Last week I remembered something rather disturbing.
When I was in my teens and twenties
the black witch who lived behind us used to send her cats around
to pester me. Well, it was always only one cat, but over the
years she had a series of cats, always replacing the "old"
one with a new one. Why the old ones vanished I don't know,
but they were always extremely aggressive and wild so it's possible
they weren't looked after and died as a result. They all killed
and ate the birds in our yard and went through our garbage for
scraps so I'd definitely say she didn't feed them properly.
Anyway.. they were nasty bunch on
the whole. I've always got on well with animals. I've made friends
with three animals labelled as "delinquents" and vicious,
but I never ever managed to make a friend out of any of her
During the day whichever cat was
in power at that time would spend it in our back yard killing
birds and fighting/chasing other cats. At night they'd sometimes
chase/fight cats, but most other cats gave our area a wide berth
at night after a few encounters with them. Mostly what her cats
would do at night is watch me.
Now I always thought this started
in my late teens/twenties, but I think it might have been earlier.
You see, as a young teen I had a bedroom in the main house,
which was an upstairs room. Later I moved into a back room that
was kind of meant to be an add-on flatlet and this room was
ground level. All the time I was in that room I had to have
my window closed as the cats would try to get in. Even with
the window closed they'd spend the night sitting on the window
ledge watching me. It used to give me the creeps. I'd wake up
at night and there'd be the cat just sitting there on the ledge
staring and staring.
This never happened in the upstairs
room, but it couldn't really as the ledge was too high and too
narrow. Even birds found it hard to sit on the window rim. But
I've remembered something odd. When I was in the upstairs room
I used to have nightmares about cats coming into my room through
the open window. The disturbing part is this - in all the dreams
they attacked me and I killed them. I remembered recently because
I was deboning a chicken for dinner. I was struggling with the
leg joint and forced it apart. It made a horrible crunchy sound
that I recognized instantly. The sound and feeling was like
those dreams. I'd either broken the cat's neck or forced its
jaws apart when it was biting me. The same noise and sensation.
I've never deboned a chicken joint
before so I'd never had the sound/feeling to remind me before.
I usually buy the deboned breasts, but they had these legs on
a special and you know a woman and a bargain... Now I can't
help wondering if the dream cats and the real cats were connected
in some way.
Anyone got any ideas/feelings?
Crow, Our dreamtime is when
we resolve issues that our conscious mind cannot resolve. Could
it be that the dreams were your way of resolving the feelings
that these cats brought you?
It sounds like you were making a choice
to destroy what you perceived to be evil?
As you know, lessons return in different forms - are you being
asked to seek Light on some subject at this time? To again destroy
something that you perceive to be evil - or just to challenge
your perceptions of evil at this time? Is something you consider
evil, or something that creates a sense of fear within you as
those cats perhaps did, asking you to challenge your perception
Only you can tell in the end - but
I just thought I'd add my interpretation..
Wolfie, Not sure... At the time of the dreams I really never
thought much about the cat (that was the original, he lived
the longest) or who owned him. We were new to the house and
it took us a few years to figure out where the cat came from
etc. I'd say it was just the sound of the chicken bones snapping
that triggered the memory, but your question about fear is interesting.
For various reasons I've been pretty high on the fear meter
for about a year or so now and the last month has been very
bad so the fear thing does fit. Thanks.
Crow, If the cats came after the dream,
was there something else that, if you were to look back now,
you could see that was a concern to you at the time you had
It could be something as simple as
the house move: you say you had not been in the house long before
these dreams started: I had a hard time when I moved from a
small primary school to a large comprehensive: change can sometimes
effect children in ways adults cannot understand. Ok the house
move may not be the answer - it was just an example of something
"else" going on that may have triggered the cat dreams...
Quite often when we are struggling
with something we need an external focus to "blame"
our reactions on: the cats may have become that focus particularly
after the dreams
Just trying to look at things from a different
perspective...turning things around a little...
Crow-For what it's worth I'll add
my $.02 worth. I think that even at a young age you were a very
sensitive person- sensitive to the emotional under currents
around you- sensitive to the energies as well. I suspect that
you "knew" on some unconscious level that the "witch"
who lived near you was someone to be wary of. Your dreams about
the cats attacking you and you killing them may have been your
unconscious mind fighting off the negative energies that surrounded
that individual. She probably had cats as her familiar and "sent"
them to your yard to hunt... and to intimidate you on an unconscious
level.... And she may also have "sent" them, mentally,
to haunt your dreams. For ones who practice dark arts, a young
person of power and talent such as yours would be very attractive.
They would want to possess or take that power for themselves
or would want to "seduce
you to the dark side". (Sorry if this sounds too much like
Star Wars- it's hard to know what words to use to describe such
experiences and such processes ).
You were protecting yourself and fighting
a very good and effective fight against being drawing into the
"witch's" web of lies and negative energies. Even
at that age you knew who you are and what you are all about...
even if you were not able to articulate it at the time. When
faced with a being or force that is attacking you, your choices
are to run away, lie down, give up and die, or fight back and
over power the attacker. You knew what to do in your dreams
to protect yourself and destroy the attacker.
What are your dreams telling you these
days about the current fears? Do you unconsciously know what
needs to be done to take care of the source of those fears?
I suspect you do.
Hi Wolfie, something "else" going on that may
have triggered the cat dreams... It's an interesting thought,
but gut feeling is no. I've had dreams that fitted the title
"stress related", but these were different. Eagleshand,
Thank you. Your words make sense and feel "right",
considering other things that happened related to the "dark
side" neighbor. (Star Wars has it's good points! LOL) Yes,
she definitely was very aware of me always. Back then I had
no idea why, I just wanted her to leave me alone and be invisible.
So what you say not only makes sense, it kind of justifies feelings
I had at the time and later.
When faced with a being or
force that is attacking you, your choices are to run away, lie
down, give up and die, or fight back and over power the attacker.
You knew what to do in your dreams to protect yourself and destroy
the attacker. It's rather a relief to know that even before
I knew I had any abilities I knew how to use them to set up
What are your dreams telling
you these days about the current fears? Do you unconsciously
know what needs to be done to take care of the source of those
fears? I suspect you do. Yes, I am having dreams about
my fears, but adult world fears are a lot more tricky than dark
force ones. Wish I could just kick butt this time too! Problems
this time revolve mostly around finances and bills and the dull
old red tape of everyday life. this time I know what's wrong
very clearly, it's the not finding a way to fix it that's giving
me the fear. Thank you for the hugs and light. They are greatly
Dark entities.... I got a simple view
on em - feel around em - squish em. There's
no playing footsies with them, no figuring them out... Squish
first, ask questions later.
LOL That's Crabby Badger's opinion too.
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