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                EaglesHand:
                  Thank you for bringing up this question! 
                  The reason behind it is I've had personal dealings with 
                  people following dark paths over the years and at one stage 
                  I could have really done with advice on how to protect myself 
                  from negative forces and had no-one to ask. Got me wondering. 
                  What if others out there ever get into similar situations? Where 
                  do you find help/advice? I know for myself there have 
                  been times when I was confronted by these dark entities and 
                  ended being made miserable by their energy. When I was young 
                  I had no one to talk to about what was happening... even trying 
                  to talk about such occurrences would just get me strange stares, 
                  blank looks, or worse... questions about my sanity! In more 
                  recent times I have had good friends who understand about these 
                  things and they have been wonderful sources of information and 
                  support. And now I also have the community of Spirit Lodge to 
                  ask for guidance and information. Over the years though I have 
                  come up with and learned ways of detecting these entities relatively 
                  quickly (i.e. it took me 14 years to realize my ex-husband was 
                  as toxic as he is... but it only took me 4 months to realize 
                  my now ex housemate was also toxic in many of the same ways 
                  ). There are some individuals that I recognize very quickly 
                  are not health folk to be around so the relationship never gets 
                  beyond the "hi, how are you" stage .... other folks 
                  seem OK, or very nice, or even "Wow, what a wonderful person" 
                  at first meeting but over time I begin to notice patterns of 
                  behavior in them and in me that signal trouble. For me warning 
                  signs include: 1-always feeling tired or drained when I leave 
                  a particular person's presence 2-experience the other person 
                  as intrusive, "nosy", judgmental, or always super 
                  needy (i.e. always putting their needs first no matter what 
                  else might be going on) 3-having "fix it" thoughts 
                  about the person- i.e. me wondering, thinking, planning how 
                  I could
                "fix" the other person - 
                  this is a bad trait as it indicates judgmentalness on my part- 
                  something I am not proud of. 4-finding myself becoming prickly, 
                  defensive, or grumpy when in the other's presence- as that is 
                  not my general nature this is particularly telling 5-finding 
                  myself being evasive or withdrawn with the other person, being 
                  unable or unwilling to be direct with him or her, and becoming 
                  unwilling to share even day to day feelings and experience much 
                  less soul-deep thoughts and emotions 6-having strange or frightening 
                  dreams where this other person or a representation of them plays 
                  a major part. 7-having an increase in illnesses such as headaches, 
                  stomach aches, colds, or just generally feeling blah 8-having 
                  feelings of suspiciousness about the other person's actions 
                  and/or motives... Just because you're paranoid does not mean 
                  someone is not out to get you. LOL (I recently found out that 
                  the ex-housemate has been telling one of our coworkers that 
                  she thinks I am a Satanist because of my using smudge and because 
                  I like to drum and dance under the full moon ??????) Basically 
                  it comes down to being mindful of the undercurrents of any relationship, 
                  keeping one's danger radar on, and trusting one's gut instincts.
                Frater Anhur:
                  HMMMMMM.....I 
                  thought I'd add a word or two from my own experience with Dark 
                  "entities" of the Astral. Something I would like to 
                  say about the main writer's comment regarding her "witchy 
                  neighbor" not using any banishing or cleansing before channel 
                  spirits...In my opinion, which is also the opinion of various 
                  authors and experts on High Magick that I have encountered (yes...MR 
                  CROWLEY INCLUDED!) believe this activity to be the worst kind 
                  of heresy, Black Magick in the truest sense as they, and I, 
                  understand it. The "medium" (that is all this person 
                  can really be considered as, for there is no control over what 
                  comes in or out of the "witch"...) opens him/herself 
                  up to anything in his/her vicinity on the astral, and normally 
                  one is surrounded by the astral junk of the lower sub-conscious, 
                  the empty shells of nightmares, obsessions, un-formed astral 
                  spirits and intelligences, that occupy the lower planes of the 
                  Astral Light, and thus making body and mind open to possession.
                Invocation 
                  of a GOD or ANGEL is something wholly different as you all might 
                  now, they are pure and perfect form. This is why any practitioner 
                  of theurgy worth his/her salt will use a banishing technique 
                  before and after astral working and meditation, thus prohibiting 
                  anything less that the pure and perfect Astral Light to enter 
                  within his/her consciousness, unless She so desires for these 
                  lesser entities to be invoked. This would serve very little 
                  purpose as no benefit can be found in the astral junk of the 
                  darker planes. No divine knowledge can be found therein. It 
                  is darkness!
                Evocation 
                  of dark entities is another matter. To bring the lesser devils 
                  and demons of the Lower Astral to visible appearance outside 
                  a banished sphere of protection, and them bring them under the 
                  superior WILL of the MAGE, through the guiding authority of 
                  his HOLY GUARDIAN ANGEL, is to master the thought-forms of the 
                  lower self. Mastery over these demons is mastery of one's own 
                  mind, they are the impure, unformed and undesired thoughts, 
                  compulsions, obsessions, imprints and conditioning hidden from 
                  sight in the sub-conscious mind of the MAGE. To see the dark 
                  entities of another person running wild, as some here have witnessed 
                  personally, is the sign of a wholly irresponsible practitioner 
                  of Astral work, or to be more precise, BLACK MAGICK. It serves 
                  no good to mankind, to does nothing good at all. It is JUNK!!! 
                  and the poor soul who is responsible, due to the fact that the 
                  universe balances everything evenly within itself, will receive 
                  "karmic return" but will probably not see it due to 
                  the obsessions that have filled the tortured mind, thus being 
                  seen by others as moods, compulsions, obsessions, perversions, 
                  etc...
                If demons 
                  and spirits are uncontrolled, these impure citizens of the lower 
                  plane of the sub-conscious will run wild, then they could easily 
                  be, and perhaps not intentionally, sent to scare and hurt others.
                As far 
                  as protecting oneself from such destructive thought-forms or 
                  entities, a banishing for some sort may be considered necessary. 
                  But this should be done on the astral also, invoking the purest 
                  of essences to enforce the circle of protection so that no entity 
                  lower may cross, and are sent fleeing from the clean sphere 
                  within the consciousness of the Magician. I read a book on this 
                  subject by Dion Fortune, a member of the original Golden Dawn 
                  Tradition, that is entitled "Psychic 
                  Self-Defense". 
                  (or something like that...) It provides interesting techniques 
                  to repel psychic attack, although this is believed to be a rare 
                  thing. Most of time, I have experienced these as unintentional, 
                  merely being projected without the conscious knowledge of the 
                  individual.
                Frater Anhur:
                  Hello, 
                  Sorry about mixing up the identities of the individuals you 
                  mentioned in your previous post, my memory can be considered 
                  rather poor at this time, for reasons all too obvious (to me)! 
                  
                I understand 
                  your point regarding the evocation of spirits. I fear though, 
                  that I have profaned this ART somewhat in my own small understanding 
                  and ignorance resulting from my lack of experience on the matter. 
                  Dabbling is one thing, but 30 years of experience is something 
                  else entirely...I believe it all comes down to what these spirits 
                  are? Something to be removed? Or...as I like to think...a demon 
                  headed tiger mask for a big eyed kitten, who, through conditioning 
                  on already unstable imprints, has been to look like a monster 
                  and needs to be tamed and made to heal along the path of the 
                  Higher Self. An arachnophobic may see a spider as a ghastly 
                  beast, horrid, vile and dangerous, but the biologist may see 
                  the beauty of nature, the incredible specializing power of nature, 
                  a unique and beautiful little angel essence called Spider! Thanks 
                  for sharing your opinions once more, they are always greatly 
                  appreciated.
                WolfSpirit:
                  Hey, Great topic! Im 
                  rushing through tonight, but one thing Fratur said really pricked 
                  my ears up as it is something i have often wondered:
                Invocation of a GOD or ANGEL 
                  is something wholly different as you all might now, they are 
                  pure and perfect form.
                How does one know that a god or angel 
                  energy is actually what one is encountering? Just a thought....
                CinnamonMoon:
                  The higher energy forms feel *lighter* warm, loving, and 
                  good. The Dark energy forms feel *heavy* cold, challenging and 
                  bad. It's in the energy signature.
                WolfSpirit:
                  Crow, Our dreamtime is when 
                  we resolve issues that our conscious mind cannot resolve. Could 
                  it be that the dreams were your way of resolving the feelings 
                  that these cats brought you? 
                It sounds like you were making a choice 
                  to destroy what you perceived to be evil?
                  
                  As you know, lessons return in different forms - are you being 
                  asked to seek Light on some subject at this time? To again destroy 
                  something that you perceive to be evil - or just to challenge 
                  your perceptions of evil at this time? Is something you consider 
                  evil, or something that creates a sense of fear within you as 
                  those cats perhaps did, asking you to challenge your perception 
                  of it? 
                Only you can tell in the end - but 
                  I just thought I'd add my interpretation..
                WolfSpirit:
                   If the cats came after the dream, was 
                  there something else that, if you were to look back now, you 
                  could see that was a concern to you at the time you had these 
                  dreams? 
                It could be something as simple as 
                  the house move: you say you had not been in the house long before 
                  these dreams started: I had a hard time when I moved from a 
                  small primary school to a large comprehensive: change can sometimes 
                  effect children in ways adults cannot understand. Ok the house 
                  move may not be the answer - it was just an example of something 
                  "else" going on that may have triggered the cat dreams... 
                  
                Quite often when we are struggling 
                  with something we need an external focus to "blame" 
                  our reactions on: the cats may have become that focus particularly 
                  after the dreams
Just trying to look at things from a different 
                  perspective...turning things around a little...
                EaglesHand:
                  For what it's worth I'll add my 
                  $.02 worth. I think that even at a young age you were a very 
                  sensitive person- sensitive to the emotional under currents 
                  around you- sensitive to the energies as well. I suspect that 
                  you "knew" on some unconscious level that the "witch" 
                  who lived near you was someone to be wary of. Your dreams about 
                  the cats attacking you and you killing them may have been your 
                  unconscious mind fighting off the negative energies that surrounded 
                  that individual. She probably had cats as her familiar and "sent" 
                  them to your yard to hunt... and to intimidate you on an unconscious 
                  level.... And she may also have "sent" them, mentally, 
                  to haunt your dreams. For ones who practice dark arts, a young 
                  person of power and talent such as yours would be very attractive. 
                  They would want to possess or take that power for themselves 
                  or would want to "seduce 
                  you to the dark side". (Sorry if this sounds too much like 
                  Star Wars- it's hard to know what words to use to describe such 
                  experiences and such processes ). 
                You were protecting yourself and fighting 
                  a very good and effective fight against being drawing into the 
                  "witch's" web of lies and negative energies. Even 
                  at that age you knew who you are and what you are all about... 
                  even if you were not able to articulate it at the time. When 
                  faced with a being or force that is attacking you, your choices 
                  are to run away, lie down, give up and die, or fight back and 
                  over power the attacker. You knew what to do in your dreams 
                  to protect yourself and destroy the attacker.
                What are your dreams telling you these 
                  days about the current fears? Do you unconsciously know what 
                  needs to be done to take care of the source of those fears? 
                  I suspect you do.
                SilverEagleDreamDancer:
                  Dark entities.... I got a simple view 
                  on em - feel around em - squish em. There's 
                  no playing footsies with them, no figuring them out... Squish 
                  first, ask questions later.
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