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Abomination Or
Denial Of The Unbalanced Spirit
By Cinnamon Moon
In the Sacred Feminine discussion
on the Warrior I felt the same thing you did, Crow…that
the topic was moving off track. Thank you, you did well splitting
the topics and on your heels I find myself wanting to do the
same thing. My reason is similar but based on a different issue
than you raised. There was a statement you made, MSLD, that
addressed your perception of abomination or denial of the spirit
within us to isolate facets of the Self. So it is that topic
I wanted to address as it seems to me there are opposite ends
of that spectrum in our perceptions. I say we in generic terms
because I'm certain you and I are not the only two that feel
this way.
I was struck by how it appeared we
were talking about abominations of the spirit in any way for
it was only parts of the whole and in the thread the essence
of the Warrior within was at issue. That same Warrior essence
lives within each of us and only comes out in some of us, such
as yourself MSLD, and I mean that in the physical sense of walking
a path as a Warrior. I want to somewhat step away from the path
issue since I think Crow has begun a wonderful thread on that
and such comments can remain there. I would like to address
the perceived abominations and denial of the whole Self aspect
though.
I have experienced the value of exploring
facets of Self. All my experiences and teachings I've received
held the same basic lesson, that to fully understand the Self
within one must understand the facets. Then we can weave them
together utilizing our abilities to truly unify. In that manner
we come to know and understand the Self, this is the path Inward
that I learned to walk. To go within and meet the Self in its
entirety is a sacred act. One in which there are many facets
and hence many different trails to explore-all leading to the
Center or core of Self entering the depths of the Oneness of
All That Is. There are many threads in the Web of Life that
comprise the Web itself. Once the whole of the Self is understood
and known (in so far as the moment allows) the path shifts its
assemblage point and goes in the other direction; it reverses
to go back out into the world to walk a path suitable to the
Self. So the journey becomes much like breathing in and out
and the path of the Self/spirit becomes one of understanding
and honoring vs. an abomination or denial.
This path exploring the facets of
the human into spirit is necessary for so many because the human
has forgotten the experience of Self and All that it is. Once
the connections are made the unification process is initiated
and the Self helps the human re-member and BE-come whole. The
human is not immortal and it may or may not recognize the spirit
initially so the assemblage of those facets coming to wholeness
might be expressed as the facets of a diamond or the various
species of Standing People amid the forest…parts of the
whole present and working in unison. Some facets of the diamond
are going to reflect certain colors while others will reflect
different hues due to the light (perception) that shines on
them. Some of the trees in the forest are going to drop their
leaves when winter comes calling while others will remain evergreen.
There are differences but they are not abominations, they are
not denial, but all are of value to the greater whole and aspects
of its beauty.
The path of the human into spirit
recalls to us the memory of the journey and purpose of the immortal
spirit…the way in which we are each making our earthwalk.
In my experiences this is
valid and true as a process of re-membering
so that the Self may be honored as a part of the greater whole.
As a result of exploring the facets of Self I understood universal
truths at the same time, saw the common threads in the Web of
Life because the whole within is as immense as the whole without---As
Above, So Below, As Within, So Without. I believe when the Dualities
are understood the re-membering begins and thus we can walk
our path honoring it to a greater depth as we bring the facets
into a unified state. For those who have no foundation to understand
this there are going to be pieces of the whole understanding
to be assembled. The spirit is whole but needs to help the human
in that assembling. I'm going to draw from the work of Carlos
Castaneda who speaks of the 'assemblage point' which is our
sacred point of view achieved when we come into union with the
Oneness. It is from the 'assemblage point' that our intent takes
us into the dimensions of the spirit where the assemblage point
is capable of making 'shifts'. Castaneda was learning to bring
the pieces together, yet from his writings I think he struggled
with grasping things and finding the right words to explain
his experiences just like everyone else does. In the teachings
I share there may be a different presentation from Castaneda
but that doesn't make either of us wrong it's merely a different
perspective taken in the approach.
Castaneda, like the Warrior, kept
his awareness sharp through his awareness of Death stalking
him. To me that was fear-based teaching, something I'm not in
favor of but also understand that it is often the way of the
Sacred Masculine to work from those perceptions. If Death is
stalking it keeps you on your toes, if you are always looking
to fight the foe you remain alert. However, my lessons came
to me in a different manner, one that teaches us to step into
the face of Nature, through the dimensional realms of the spirits,
into the Self through the facets as aspects and attributes to
be honed and to better understand the whole. This is not a denouncing
of the whole but a journey into it. It's like all the instruments
of an orchestra coming together to create a beautiful symphony
whatever the song may be, it does not BE come whole until all
those instruments are in synchronized harmony. To say there
are not horns and strings and percussion instruments that comprise
the orchestra would be denial. What the orchestra produces is
an amalgam of the greater whole. That balance is sought whether
one walks a path as a Warrior or as something else, so to me
it doesn't matter since that quest for wholeness is present
on all paths and in each of us. Our spirits gravitate to the
universal truths we recognize through the perspectives that
hold our interest, passions, strengths, the energies we relate
to as we re-member. All paths hold the universal truths so that
no one is deprived of them; they simply come to them in different
ways that complement their state of awareness and manner of
perception. Our journeys to this point of balance are going
to be as unique as we are. We will have journeys in common with
some and far different than others but we will recognize when
we share common threads through our experiences and we'll recognize
when similar experiences are presenting themselves elsewhere
this way.
MSLD stated in the other thread:
"Yet, my Spirit self is aware of the facets of the Poet,
the Healer, The Contrary, The Teacher and the many other callings
that mankind may walk in. Yet the greatest danger is the assumption
or creation of the notion of a Spiritual facet that rises or
is independent of the core self of Spirit."
I had to pause there because I wasn't
seeing anything saying that the facets comprising the essence
of Self are separate from the core. In fact it was quite the
contrary, in that the Poet, Healer, Contrary, Teacher, Warrior,
etc. are the dominant aspects of Self that from that core will
rise to sustain our individual earthwalks. For me, to ignore
that there is more than just the one role to comprise the whole
is limiting. Let me take a slightly different approach and address
the study of the Totems we walk with as an example. That study
is not to say we are these creatures, though we may shapeshift
if we choose, merge with them at times perhaps, journey with
them in various ways, they remain separate, they are not 'us'.
Nor are they the creature itself in the physical sense but the
essences of one of its species. At times they may spiritually
or even physically come to us as such, they remain the essence
of the creature, the spirit of the species, mirroring to us
what is within ourselves as part of the greater whole. They
mirror the abilities we possess that will need to be brought
forward to sustain our earthwalk as it applies to us in this
lifetime. They teach us about our Self so that we come to better
understand the spiritual side of our nature through the re-membering
process…a process of reconnecting our awareness to the
Self. They teach us the essences within their natures that are
present within our own further connecting us to the Oneness
where we must always go to make those connections strong. After
all, do we not enter into the Oneness through the Self and thus
through the Self weave our intent to whatever purpose we are
holding or whatever path we are walking?
In all the teachings I've received
it is through the facets that we restore what is unbalanced
by bringing them together in our higher awareness regardless
of the path and role we take on in the physical process. I say
regardless because the two sides of us (physical and spiritual)
will come together as compliments upon that path in one form
or another. The higher we raise our awareness toward the unifications
the deeper into our Self we abide and our awareness point shifts
to that which the spirit holds. We begin then to see through
the eyes of our spirit and grasp the bigger picture with greater
understanding as new dimensions and perspectives open to us.
In that sense greater sensory perceptions develop and these
facets help us understand our way through that process. From
there we move back out into the world as we walk our paths…paths
that reflect our dominant traits in some manner. So I do not
see that as unbalancing the spirit, diminishing it, denying
it or an abomination of what is sacred. I do see it as a means
to creating balance.
When we approach Sacred Mountain
where Great Mystery resides, we see it initially from a distance
and it is a mountain. But to walk the mountain are we not gradually
becoming aware that it is more? Do we not begin to see it has
facets to it like forested areas, wildlife, elements of Nature
that comprise the whole and do we not take in 'all' it's beauty
honoring those facets? Don't we notice and in some fashion focus
through interaction with the facets the mountain possesses that
there are areas of vegetation, or creatures that walk or fly
or swim or crawl, elemental forces that reside there, and more?
Are there not paths weaving about the mountain as we climb and
explore? When we walk with gods and goddesses, are they not
aspects or facets of the union that is Creation within the Sacred
Mother and Father wherein the two become One? Don't all paths
come together in the center of the Oneness? As I perceive the
Oneness they certainly do. By walking into nature I know I take
in the rays of beauty that stand out to me in a myriad of facets
reflecting the whole. Why should we not be able to take in the
beauty and facets of the whole Self?
I simply cannot see that as destructive,
an abomination or as denial but I do see it as a means of appreciation
to better honor the core Self and All That Is. We live in a
world of form as physical beings and form is all around us in
a myriad of manifestations. For me it is constructive in coming
to understand what a facet is about. We see the external mountain
as we approach it, it may be beautiful to some and intimidating
to others, but until it is walked it cannot be understood and
therefore fully appreciated. To walk the mountain we limit ourselves
unless we approach it from all sides for each has its own perspectives
to share and its own views to offer. In this same way I see
the Self just as connected to the external whole for it is a
part of the life force of All That Is. We are all parts of that
whole, all facets, and like the facets of a diamond we must
ask ourselves if we are choosing to see the facets or the stone
itself? Does that not shift with a focused awareness and in
that the assemblage of what we are looking at a shift takes
place too?
There is uniqueness and beauty in
the refracted lights that shine from the diamond and we are
each like one of the unique facets reflecting our own light
in our earthwalks. There is even more beauty when we shine together.
To me to perceive only the whole would limit our deeper appreciations
and understandings through exploration of the Self and all that
it has to show us. I enjoy that and dance in it, I celebrate
it, and I am in awe of what is produced when my awareness shifts
in these ways.
It is not the fractured spirit (though
it can be through trauma calling for a retrieval in some fashion)
that is focused on, but the facets that show the beauty within
the strength. Going back to the Warrior aspect, does not the
physical warrior learn to strengthen different parts of the
body, mind, emotions and spirit in different ways and undertake
the efforts to better understand why they march or exercise
or drill? Doesn't the Warrior then call upon those exercises
as skills that have become honed as functional tools of the
whole of their physical being? Does the recruit not explore
the array of aspects to being a soldier and then through exercise
and exploration in combat become one? Does he or she not learn
the parts of the weapon carried to maintain it? Is that an abomination
or debasement of what a soldier is or does or is it the process
to fashion one as a soldier? These are rhetorical questions
but I feel they apply to the range of sacred viewpoints or assemblage
points.
MonSnoLeeDra:
I
ask your forgiveness in advance for while I would like to address
each facet presented and paste the item I am responding to I
think the clutter would be more damaging to the greater discussion.
When one first starts out certain truths are recognized and
built upon. For instance the tree cannot be a rock no matter
how hard it desires such. It can amass a body as dense as that
of stone and as weighty but still cannot be a rock. The winds
of time and change may pull and push upon it, even change it
but throughout it is still a tree. It may look like the rock
after time, but to the critical eye it is still organic in nature
and is a tree. That truth is applicable across the board. A
bird cannot be a stone, a tree cannot be a bird, water cannot
be earth and fire cannot be air. No matter the depth of desire
they simply cannot be the other for that is not the facet Spirit
breathed into them.
Now the tree knows
it is a tree. It knows it is part of a larger grouping, a grouping
that holds many facets, sizes , shapes and purposes. Yet the
pine knows it can never bring forth the apple for that is not
it's function nor Spirits purpose for it. The same can be said
of all the Tall Green People, each knows it is part of a greater
whole but no matter the depth of desire it cannot be more than
what it's purpose is. The Spiritual Mountain is somewhat like
the tree. It holds many secrets and many lives and facets cling
to it but none can be the other. Yet to the observer we recognize
the various facets that cling to it. We know that to remove
any one of them is to change the whole. We know that for any
individual piece of the puzzle to appear more important is to
remove the balance of the whole and corrupt it. In some conditions
it is to breed envy within the whole.
Yes I may venture
to various areas upon the mountain but my ventures are to discover
the fullness of the mountain which I do so by discovering what
is upon and within it. Yet I only come to know the mountain
truly when I look to the whole of it as one great piece not
the smaller parts that exist upon it though I know them also.
I suppose one might say it is a matter of Macro versus Micro
in view.
Now man in essence
is similar to the tree people. We fall in a great class yet
the class is subdivided into many branches and functions. Each
given a place and task within the scope of Spirits design. Yet
man is also a complex creature. One might compare man to a deck
of cards. To use the deck man is composed of 52 separate parts,
each part equal to the other, each part equally important to
the greater whole. When all parts are present the deck is complete
and fully functional. Yet the deck is also designed so that
it can be employed in a variety of formats to achieve different
results. The inherent worth of each part still present but the
application of the parts the determination of what is to be
done with it. If used wisely the deck operates and functions
with no flaw. The dealer hands out the cards and each is utilized
in the manner that the dealer desires. Though we may not like
to admit it in reality, mine anyway, Spirit is the dealer and
has instilled what its design is for the card that represents
me as an individual.
The Dealer has
indicated I am to be used as a warrior function. But as an individual
I can be employed or played in countless possibilities. In the
most logical sequence I play as Spirit has intended for the
lessons I am to be exposed to. The perfect balance of action
and employment. But Spirit also breathed awareness into me of
the rest of the cards and their usage as well. So not only do
I know my function but have an idea of theirs and yes even how
to work to make my position better by using their energy and
presence. Yet if I focus upon other facets at the expense of
what Spirit has designed then I suffer the probability of disrupting
that play. I in short become an abomination upon the field of
play. I possess all the possibilities but when I claim to raise
them from my perspective I am no longer doing so in spirits
design. If Spirit designed me to be an Ace but I keep saying
I am an eight then there is corruption. If I push the fact
of my being an eight over the truth of me being an ace their
is corruption to the system. Take the notion outward and one
encounters the notion that I am to be employed in a set manner
but I keep changing what I claim to be or what is pushing me
and I so corrupt and disrupt the initial balance that my worth
is lost for it becomes a question of what am I actually.
To me when one
pushed the notion they are a Spiritual Warrior one moment, A
priest next, then something else a few minutes later that is
to ignore the fact none of those exist but are utilization's
of the purpose and one’s ability to touch that energy.
It almost hinges on the notion of multiple personalities that
vie for position and recognition. Like the person with multiple
personalities, which is the real one even as each has grown
to believe they are the one and only of importance cause the
host kept referring to them as separate from them and not aspects
of the whole. That was the way I saw the referenced thread,
claims of uniqueness in the facet but failure to realize or
acknowledge the truth of the source being the Spiritual Self
that simply employed the various energies it was capable of
employing. In essence the creation of individual facets that
were given status and authority because the host insisted they
were legitimate persona's, almost unique and separate from the
whole. Even promoting them above the whole for to give recognition
of a facet over the ability of the whole to utilize it simply
fractured the whole and made it minor parts. Minor parts with
each vying to be known and called forth. Like the multiple personality,
who ran the body for one did not even know at what moment another
persona would take control as it felt it the greater piece.
As one of my calling
it is I as the person that must learn the various energies I
am capable of touching and utilizing. In that manner their only
one person doing and calling the shots. There is no healer to
call upon for I am the warrior who uses the healer energy. The
is no Poet to call upon for again I am the warrior that uses
the poet's energy. There is no contrary to call forth for I
am that also when I touch the power of the contrary. All is
me and I am all for I am the single flame that dwells within
my shell, I am the Spiritual Self. Yet how is it that I learnt
of those other facets? It is through looking at the greater
mass of the forest and understanding them and my relationship
with them. Not only understanding but realizing that I am part
and parcel of them and have much of the same ability and it
is only purpose that separates us. If I am a pine I grow the
same as any other tree, yet my strength lies in the awareness
that we are part the same and part separate. Yet I am able to
call upon facets of the other tree for I recognize the similar
between us even as I understand and must become that which I
am designed to be. In the human nature to be whole to me is
the ability to see those others in me but also recognize the
differences between us. To try and be what one of them is is
to create a false image that is an affront or abomination to
them as I try to be them but also create an abomination of me
for I am not being myself with my purpose and function which
has realized not only our similarities but also my uniqueness
within myself , my grouping and my humanity. I think collectively
we fail when we no longer see that we look to others to use
their strength and influence
but attempt to be them.
As a warrior I
look to the others to see what skills and energies they possess
that may make me better upon my calling. The poets words are
his / her gift but a new weapon in my arsenal. The Wheel's constant
movement and flux is their gift but identify my shortcomings,
so to compensate I must use that energy. The Contraries ability
to reflect society and world becomes the influence of my skill
and ability to hide or show what is not there though I want
another to see it. Yet my ability to recognize and incorporate
facets of them is only to recognize those lesser facets exist
in me anyway for we are all of the same family. I suppose my
greatest realization is when I know my place and purpose and
can use all the facets of Self available to me but never forget
they are singularly nothing more than ME! To link them or identify
them as anything different is to take me and break it down so
that there is not one powerful me but many little components
that vie for control and exist simply because I have given them
name and position instead of knowing they are me.
Yet I also must
realize and acknowledge that I am aggressive but also passive.
I am demanding but also giving. I am cruel but also kind. Those
things that mark the separation of the receptive female and
aggressive male energies that exist within the many facets and
callings of humanity. So not only do I observe and use the difference
in calling's to refine and strengthen my own but I must witness
and be able to adapt and utilize both sides of the energy. Yet
again it is learnt through watching other’s and coming
to terms with its presence within me and part of me. But also
learn to recognize the difference in how I utilize it and how
another utilizes it in their calling. Now I am not sure if I
answered and made sense or not for the words are jumbled in
my mind but instead of deleting them as my mind calls for I
shall trust to the influence of the poet's energy and leave
them here.
CinnamonMoon:
Hi MSLD, Thanks for joining
this thread. Up to this point I was nodding in full agreement
with you, but this statement gave me pause:
“I in short become an abomination
upon the field of play. I possess all the possibilities but
when I claim to raise them from my perspective I am no longer
doing so in spirits design. If Spirit designed me to be an Ace
but I keep saying I am an eight then there is corruption. If
I push the fact of my being an eight over the truth of me being
an ace their is corruption to the system. Take the notion outward
and one encounters the notion that I am to be employed in a
set manner but I keep changing what I claim to be or what is
pushing me and I so corrupt and disrupt the initial balance
that my worth is lost for it becomes a question of what am I
actually.”
I say it gave me pause because I
can see the point you are making however it is not what I was
implying at all. I see an individual as the deck of cards itself,
each with the aspects they depict, able to utilize those sides
of our nature as might be called for in any given situation-the
complexity being within the body of the deck. As co-creators
operating from free will I do not see
where all is up to Spirit, more that it is a mutual understanding
of the Self within the greater scope of Spirit's plan aware
of it's part in that plan.
For example: As a human I entered
sacred space where prayers to Spirit were offered up by all
who visited for healing and troubles. The energy was so weighted
with sorrow that I could not offer prayers other than to pray
Spirit could hold that weight because it did not feel in any
way humanly possible to do so. I begged with tears streaming
down my cheeks to understand the enormity of that weight being
tended on Spirit's behalf. I felt such compassion pour from
me on Spirit's behalf as I felt the burdens of oppression hanging
in the air. It had left me weak, shaken and marked from the
intensity. Now I knew I was not Spirit nor did I have the capacity
for such burdens but they were experienced deeply all the same.
I touched the energy.
I left the site after a time without
full understanding and the complete comprehension I sought as
to why it had to be that way. It made me very aware of the power
of prayer both pro and con as well as significant and insignificant
but I fell short on how Spirit could possibly tend all those
prayers. It felt to me like an angry wind crying out for appeasement.
A short time later, when I had taken a walk in Nature to sit
with Spirit I was lifted up and together we journeyed out into
the vastness of the Universe so that I might better understand
the permeation of Spirit beyond the concept into the experience.
What I was shown and what I experienced
allowed me that understanding and comprehension but to this
day I have no words sufficient enough to express those things.
We do have choices before us, it is a factor of our free will
but the exercising of that choice (where you say it is up to
Spirit) comes from our Inner Spirit, not the human side of us
where our earthwalk is concerned. I'm struggling here to explain
what I mean. The spirit within us understands this and enough
of the bigger picture to co-create with it, to serve a purpose
for being here, and to fulfill a mission...but...at the same
time it is here to experience and evolve through lessons too.
The human side of us is the seeker that strives to understand
that, to be made aware of the spiritual nature of the true Self
and the true Self strives to assist in that process as a means
of animating the human part to journey forward. Oh I hope that
made sense. LOL
I have seen people change, MSLD,
change their path or their way of BE-ing in the world dramatically.
I have seen people change roles, character, personalities, any
number of aspects of the whole to evolve into better human beings.
I believe an Ace can become an 8 or vice versa if the path calls
for that. We are not here against our will but because of it.
We are not here at the mercy of Spirit but to co-operate with
Spirit as spirits and the facets of the greater whole. It is
through us that we experience Spirit and that Spirit experiences
the world of form. IMHO.
“To me when one pushed the notion
they are a Spiritual Warrior one moment, A priest next, then
something else a few minutes later that is to ignore the fact
none of those exist but are utilization's of the purpose and
one’s ability to touch that energy. It almost hinges on
the notion of multiple personalities that vie for position and
recognition. Like the person with multiple personalities, which
is the real one even as each has grown to believe they are the
one and only of importance cause the host kept referring to
them as separate from them and not aspects of the whole.”
So for me as a woman, a wife and
a mother, a consultant, author, minister, and whatever else
comprises the whole of me, you would say that whatever hat I
put on in a given day indicates I have multiple personalities?
I would say to that that they are aspects of the whole, aspects
that come forward as they are called for, but not one of them
is all that I am. Are you not a Warrior, a fireman, a husband,
son, cousin…and would not your list continue? Are those
multiple personalities or are they aspects of the whole? I see
no implications that we, as human beings, are the Spiritual
Warrior, my friend, only that our awareness shifts to that perspective.
That may be why our perspectives are askew with one and other.
It is indeed the spirit within us that is that Warrior one minute,
a Priest the next, and something else a few minutes later. Not
us, we merely are animated into the actions so I don't see the
denial of the Self or inability to acknowledge it as the source
at all. I'm sorry that's the impression you were given, I don't
see any of that as authoritarian either, simply aspects of BE-ing
since all facets are equal none greater than another. I also
see your passion.
“As one of my calling it is
I as the person that must learn the various energies I am capable
of touching and utilizing. In that manner their only one person
doing and calling the shots. There is no healer to call upon
for I am the warrior who uses the healer energy. The is no Poet
to call upon for again I am the warrior that uses the poet's
energy. There is no contrary to call forth for I am that also
when I touch the power of the contrary. All is me and I am all
for I am the single flame that dwells within my shell, I am
the Spiritual Self.”
I can honor that as your sacred point
of view and still hold to mine. For the sake of debate, however,
would you agree in touching the various energies or aspects
we become One with them for the time and they dominate? This
is what I perceived by Crow's question as to how we bring the
Warrior within us forward. Not the claim to be in that role
as a way of life necessarily, just in the concept of the aspect
being present within the Self. Spiritually we step into the
Oneness with that facet of Self so basically it's pretty much
the same thing as in what you are saying here though I'm not
getting any abominations in the spiritual perspectives at all:
“Yet how is it that I learnt
of those other facets? It is through looking at the greater
mass of the forest and understanding them and my relationship
with them. Not only understanding but realizing that I am part
and parcel of them and have much of the same ability and it
is only purpose that separates us. If I am a pine I grow the
same as any other tree, yet my strength lies in the awareness
that we are part the same and part separate. Yet I am able to
call upon facets of the other tree for I recognize the similar
between us even as I understand and must become that which I
am designed to be.” “In the human nature to be whole
to me is the ability to see those others in me but also recognize
the differences between us. To try and be what one of them is
is to create a false image that is an affront or abomination
to them as I try to be them but also create an abomination of
me for I am not being myself with my purpose and function which
has realized not only our similarities but also my uniqueness
within myself , my grouping and my humanity.”
You also stated:
“Yet my ability to recognize
and incorporate facets of them is only to recognize those lesser
facets exist in me anyway for we are all of the same family.
I suppose my greatest realization is when I know my place and
purpose and can use all the facets of Self available to me but
never forget they are singularly nothing more than ME!”
To that I would add that with all
the 'me's' in the world we are also lesser facets of the greater
whole of Spirit/Great Mystery. BE-ing is infinite and it is
comprised of the macro and micro for sure.
“To link them or identify them
as anything different is to take me and break it down so that
there is not one powerful me but many little components that
vie for control and exist simply because I have given them name
and position instead of knowing they are me.”
Yes that would be limiting, but to
address the facets is not. IMHO We have those aspects that are
parts of the whole of us and to dismiss them is to devalue them
in my eyes. Yes, parts of the greater Self but then the Self
is the sum of all parts is it not? It seems to me that's what
you're implying here which makes me feel we're coming from two
different perspectives to arrive at the same conclusion (typical
masculine/feminine approaches.
“Yet I also must realize and
acknowledge that I am aggressive but also passive. I am demanding
but also giving. I am cruel but also kind. Those things that
mark the separation of the receptive female and aggressive male
energies that exist within the many facets and callings of humanity.
So not only do I observe and use the difference in calling's
to refine and strengthen my own but I must witness and be able
to adapt and utilize both sides of the energy. Yet again it
is learnt through watching other’s and coming to terms
with its presence within me and part of me. But also learn to
recognize the difference in how I utilize it and how another
utilizes it in their calling.”
I think you made sense I've been
feeling the same jumble of words to explain which again takes
me back to the two of us basically coming from different perspectives
and meeting in the middle...somewhat. I'm glad you did leave
your post though, thanks, MSLD.
MonSnoLeeDra:
You
know it is really frustrating to me with this one. I have explained
complex theories and concepts and brought them across with great
ease and not once suffered the failure of words that actually
describe what I am describing. Yet this one, it seems as if
every word I select falls short of my intent and I enter it
knowing it is wrong but I cannot get the pieces and words to
come together as I would like. Yet I am stubborn and must keep
pushing forward to try.
“As co-creators
operating from free will I do not see where all is up to Spirit,
more that it is a mutual understanding of the Self within the
greater scope of Spirit's plan aware of it's part in that plan.”
I can see here
I need to find another word for Self/Spirit as I ended up dropping
the separator between Self Spirit and Spirit as the grand scale.
I think we are
placed here by The Great Spirit to experience life and its many
facets. In that experience of birth we are programed with sort
of an outline of purpose but the abilities to change on the
spot or change the order of things lies in the hands of Self
Spirit. As the experiencing facet it can choose to push through
some experience's, dwell upon or re-live others and to some
degree change the script entirely at any point. But the actual
outline never changes in what Self Spirit is here to experience
and discover. It is in that capacity I think we all have certain
leanings or callings that motivate us towards certain positions.
For instance as known mine is warrior but the slant of such
is in constant change. Throughout my life one facet is always
present the service to others as the underlying script but the
actual manifestations vary and change constantly. I have been
the fireman and rescue squad member in my youth, the military
member for most of my adult life, the civil servant in regards
to working with the school system and children. Even in the
capacity of leader and guide in various organizations and services.
In each a clear notion of who or what my opponent was that I
would engage and what weapons were available to me in each instance.
Now if one were to take a picture of me at this very moment
all you would see is the fleshy facet that covers Self Spirit.
You would see a male, aged but not ancient. But from that photo
alone there would be no way to determine who or what I was.
If I add another
photo that shows me with a child and woman, still no means of
saying for sure unless you knew they were my wife and one of
my two sons. But outwardly it is still the same fleshy shell
for Self /Spirit that resides within me. Now here is where the
problem particularly arises. As a man known to be married and
father of two children those who view me make certain assumptions
of what my inner self is.
Assumptions of
Father, Lover, Friend, Companion, Teacher, Provider, etc.
Yet while they
are assumed and presented the outward is always the same presentation.
Inward I do rotate through what one might call various views
and perceptions of what each is and how I present it. To me
those are manifestations of my exchange and exposure to various
facets of energy and how I project my application of them. Some
only see the Father, some only see the Teacher, some only see
the Friend facet, etc. So in appearance each is separate and
unique to the observer but to me internally they are all the
same Self /Spirit and simply reflections of my experience and
understanding of things. Yet to those that see some or many
of them they are simply one in the same for I am all at once
and present all at once. Yes they may see a change in focus,
for instance when I speak to my granddaughter I speak differently
than say to my son or wife due to her age. But the point is
the change is of my design and purpose for getting my message
across to the person I am speaking to. In such a scenario I
am balanced and possessed of all facets at once. Every face
presented is clearly me and the result of my observation of
others and my interaction with others about me. Yet also the
interaction and observation of self and my spiritual walk. One
cannot separate the inspiration for the inspiration and application
is a constant change. Where I find problems is when one is only
this or that and noticeably changes before the observation
of others. When I think upon others b ringing forth a inner
warrior or inner spiritualist I think of almost the extreme
of entirely different people in a single body. When they speak
of themselves as such it re-enforces that notion of separate
identities contained within the shell. Almost to the point of
multi-personalities that are unique and independent because
the speaker refers to themselves as such. Granted in the extreme
different voices, postures, mannerisms, etc.
That is how the
initial notion came across to me in the sacred female thread
especially from the insistence for the rise of energy and focus.
I guess the best description would be I did not see reflections
of the whole but fragments that were identified as being unique.
“It is indeed
the spirit within us that is that Warrior one minute, a Priest
the next, and something else a few minutes later”
I think that is
one major difference. I do not see the inner spirit as being
those things but witness to its mastery and utilization of those
personality sets and energies. I suppose in the base sense each
utilization being the result of understanding and knowledge
of the set then applying that knowledge in the application of
it. But the application of a thing does not make one the thing.
“For the
sake of debate, however, would you agree in touching the various
energies or aspects we become One with them for the time and
they dominate?”
I can agree with
everything except dominate. I do not think they dominate us
but that we express through action our understanding and ability
to use them in a general focus. Yet I think if it is our calling
then we have a greater mastery over the usage of them. Sort
of like I can write a story or spin a good tale but one who
is a poet would write a few lines that far exceed my abilities
unless I am taken through some great inspiration that enlightens
me to that usage level of the energy. Though perhaps I have
contradicted myself here for in that instance I am awash in
its flow and one with it and really understand it's power of
inspiration.
“We have
those aspects that are parts of the whole of us and to dismiss
them is to devalue them in my eyes.”
I actually agree
though the words are somewhat failing in in getting my meaning
across. I think the best way is that all are equal in our usage
and application. But we are more drawn towards certain things
and through use and desire we chose them over others in our
library of skills. Yet we are at one with all of them and all
of them are one with us. Darn this is not coming out correctly.
OK think of it this way I have a left and right hand. I use
my right hand for it is the dominate and predominate appendage
for my normal usage. Yet my left hand is still of equal purpose
and function. Yet if I were to suddenly think of my left as
one person and my right as another and set them up as unique
individuals then I would be that abomination of self. I would
be in conflict with myself as I tried to show the individuality
of each hand.
“What I was
shown and what I experienced allowed me that understanding and
comprehension but to this day I have no words sufficient enough
to express those things.”
I can relate to
that. Experiences that seem to speak in a language that is light
and sound and vibration and movement. All those things and more
but we barley can find a word that only whispers at what we
saw. When we do use try we find we cannot even get enough clarity
to even allow someone to get a glimpse of what we experienced,
even if they happened to be present with us at the time. We
look and seem to know but that is the best we get. Yeah I know
to long winded and really didn't answer anything again.......
Wynsong:
All
these discussions, sent me to my core, to see what I believe...
Much of what Cinnamon writes resonates fully with me... Some
of what MonSnoLeeDra does as well... So in keeping with my focus
on being Self-Referencing... I went inside... A taoist analogy
immediately came to mind, as I let the water of my shower wash
over me. A drop of water always seeks the Sea.. A drop of water
is not in truth separate from Water, it is just separate in
time/space from one of the many places that are gatherings of
lots of drops of Water... Whether a drop of water is solid,
liquid or gaseous (the only states I can remember and identify
that a drop of water can take), it is still water. It may take
a solid form in a body of gathered water, or be emerging from
the body of fluidity in its gaseous state, and it is still fundamentally
Water, not a part of water, not something different from water
trying to get back to that state...it is just WATER. So my way
of understanding all this journeying, and Be-ing and such, is
that I'm akin to the drop of water. I'm a drop of Spirit. I'm
a fully formed, individualized part of the whole. I'll always
be seeking places where Spirit gathers in great amounts. And
for me, Spirit is not necessarily some intelligent place of
energy that is one being...or omnipotent, or (and this is always
the crux for me), external to me. It might be, but it is called
the Great Mystery, because I haven't got a clue what it looks
like, how it works or what it can truly do, and neither does
anyone else. People have experienced It in various forms/journeys
and their ability to relay it in language is almost always inadequate...and
throughout the ages when we try, people adhere to TRUTHS and
then fight over them...(sorry...a particular part of our Story
as humans that I think bites) (Richard Bach did an amazing job
of making that a story in his book One, when he wrote of the
Pagites). So for me, as I live this lifetime, in this form (droplet
of Spirit), I expect that I'm fully formed Spirit, and I'll
be seeking my Self my whole life, and I'll be attracted to places
where Spirit gathers in whatever quantity looks like to Spirit.
I'm
here as a human to be Spirit within human-ness...I could just
as easily have been a tree, or a rock or in some other dimensional
frequency. I can't be an abomination, and neither can any of
the other droplets...because we are fully Spirit. Maybe Spirit
exploring behavior that is abominable...by the values we as
droplets use to judge these things...Maybe the equivalent of
Spirit in solid versus liquid or gaseous states... Maybe the
gaseous Spirit people think I'm wrong because I'm Solid ...
Maybe given enough heat I can move from Solid to liquid and
even one day be able to claim to be gaseous (even for a moment)
...and in all that time, I'll still be fully Spirit...not truly
altered at all. This may not make any sense at all to anyone
else. Let if float on the wind if it is so out of place that
it distracts from where all the other fully formed versions
of human Spirit here were going. And you know...allowing this
personal way of understanding my truth come through, hasn't
changed a thing about how I'm experiencing my day. Funny that.
Munay
CinnamonMoon:
MSLD~ “I think that
is one major difference. I do not see the inner spirit as being
those things but witness to its mastery and utilization of those
personality sets and energies. I suppose in the base sense each
utilization being the result of understanding and knowledge
of the set then applying that knowledge in the application of
it. But the application of a thing does not make one the thing.”
Well, for me it does make me that
through the application in that moment. I apply myself on multiple
levels in multiple functions day in and day out, at the snap
of a finger I become what is needed of me in a dominant role
for that moment in time. Inside or out. I am not one thing,
I walk a path as a spiritual coach, another as a mentor, another
as a mother, another as a businesswoman, etc. all parts of the
whole that are incorporated and utilized and I am all those
things and more. Not just one of them. I think we're simply
at odds in how we perceive ourselves and that's okay too.
“I can agree with everything
except dominate. I do not think they dominate us but that we
express through action our understanding and ability to use
them in a general focus. Yet I think if it is our calling then
we have a greater mastery over the usage of them. Sort of like
I can write a story or spin a good tale but one who is a poet
would write a few lines that far exceed my abilities unless
I am taken through some great inspiration that enlightens me
to that usage level of the energy.”
Fair enough. In my eyes when I summon
an aspect of myself to the forefront then that aspect is dominant
at the time. When I am through with that facet of self it merges
back in line with all the others. All the while I'm my Self,
I'm still me and still 'in character' but applying myself with
a dominant factor relative to the issue or situation that calls
for the shift.
“Though perhaps I have contradicted
myself here for in that instance I am awash in its flow and
one with it and really understand it's power of inspiration.”
Exactly my point.
“Darn this is not coming out
correctly. OK think of it this way I have a left and right hand.
I use my right hand for it is the dominate and predominate appendage
for my normal usage. Yet my left hand is still of equal purpose
and function. Yet if I were to suddenly think of my left as
one person and my right as another and set them up as unique
individuals then I would be that abomination of self. I would
be in conflict with my Self as I tried to show the individuality
of each hand.”
I understand what you're saying here,
however I do not see where anyone was claiming the Spiritual
Warrior within them as another unique individual, or as a role
they took on in life specifically. More it was a matter of summoning
that facet of the Inner Spirit to the forefront to act in that
capacity or weave with that energy to meet a given need. Therein
may be where this started to go off track and become a separate
issue leading to the clarifications we've been trying to sort
and convey.
“Yeah I know to long winded
and really didn't answer anything again.......”
Ya did just fine! Wyn~ I haven't
looked into the Taoist philosophies in so long and thank you
for bringing them back a little here. It's been ages and I can
certainly relate to what you shared. The discussions have had
me picking my own brain too. In a sense it's brought us back
to basics hasn't it?
“A taoist analogy immediately
came to mind, as I let the water of my shower wash over me.
A drop of water always seeks the Sea.. A drop of water is not
in truth separate from Water, it is just separate in time/space
from one of the many places that are gatherings of lots of drops
of Water...”
Yes indeed.
“So my way of understanding
all this journeying, and Be-ing and such, is that I'm akin to
the drop of water. I'm a drop of Spirit.”
Yep!
“I can't be an abomination,
and neither can any of the other droplets...because we are fully
Spirit.”
Well said!
“And you know...allowing this
personal way of understanding my truth come through, hasn't
changed a thing about how I'm experiencing my day. .... Funny
that.”
Good, that's as it should be. Thank
you Wyn.
EagleSinging:
So
I've been reading this thread and the thread that White Crow
started and MSLD took from there. It is all wonderful. In the
other thread I commented on this topic without even knowing
this thread was here. It didn't get picked up on there, maybe
it will here. Nevertheless I won't repeat myself by "copy
and paste." I'm not sure where I agree with what's been
said, where I diverge and where I completely differ. This is
not an easy discourse in which to engage. On a personal but
definitely related note, I have been observing how people see
me, what they expect of me, and what role they perceive I have
in their life and how they react when I'm" in character"
with whatever role they have put me in or when I'm "out
of character" in that role. I suppose I may be one of those
people who MSLD would say has a split personality. Now, some
argue that I have just that. I see myself differently - naturally.
I perceive myself as pretty grounded (except for the occasional
glitches) and one heck of a seeker.
Wyn, I
really like your Taoist analogy. It resonated with me. I am
not one who sees myself as having any one role in this human
existence, as having any one path or calling. I am merely me
- spirit inhabiting this human body along for the human ride
roughing out all the bumps along the way merely trying to do
the best I can in each moment. I do live this human life doing
things that humans have given a title to, such as: mother, wife,
counselor of law, adviser, guide (as mediator), teacher, friend,
and warrior (for things I believe in)....etc. I do these things
in the physical sense in my paid profession and in my physical
relationships. This is important for me to convey - These titles,
these roles, do not define me. They are things I do and they
are what people expect and anticipate me to play - but they
are not me. None of them define me. I am all of them and more
that I've not yet identified - they are all of my Self. They
are not compartmentalized. When I was younger, I used to compartmentalize
them and when I did my life experiences became fractured and
not healthy. For example, when I was a young lawyer, I interacted
with socially being a lawyer (as defined by society). When I
became a "mother" I tended to "mother" others
(as defined by society). This is a very common experience for
any new practitioner
in ANY field whether medical or mental health provider, spiritual
healer, advertising exec., spiritual coach, accountant, IT professional....
So, when I interacted in nearly every human experience as a
lawyer always from the viewpoint of being a lawyer, or as a
"mother" always from the viewpoint as mother, (for
2 examples) I was not productive and shadow lessons followed.
I am sure that most, if not all of us, can look back to times
in our live when we took what was we thought was our identity
and was just that identity in situations....where we identified
with a role so much that we failed to open up to our entire
essence and just BE.
(I am jumping
up and down at this!!) What IS wonderful and exciting to me
is that I experience the titles and roles I mentioned above
ALSO in my spiritual essence as these energies ebb and flow
in the myriad of circumstances in which I go about my existence.
So, for example, one moment, mothering energies are appropriate;
in another moment, counselor energies are appropriate....etc.
Hence, the Oneness we speak of - the merging of these physical
and spiritual energies overlay my human existence in this lifetime
and my spirit's growth. So, I am not sure where I agree, diverge
or contrast from all of this, but the exploration is wonderful.
I know that I am me, of Spirit, and that I breathe in and exhale
all my human-ness, and I know that I do the best I can balancing
and touching the lives of others pulling from all my experiences
and lessons drawing on the energies needed at the moment. Thanks
for the exploratory journey, MSLD, Cinn and Wyn!
CinnamonMoon:
Thank you for joining us EagleSinging!
It's nice to see you in the discussion, your post is wonderful.
I know these threads are full of perspectives and winding thoughts.
It's a lot to take in but meaty, eh? You summed things up nicely
making sense of your perspectives considering how much there
is to chew on here I hope you'll continue to take part--the
more the merrier!
EagleSinging:
I want to
add something I forgot to mention - As I honor my wholeness,
including the roles I have in my physical life and how I weave
energies in my spiritual essence, the more cohesive and more
integrated my Self is, so that I am more present and hold a
higher awareness as I honor All. MSLD, may I ask, as I'm afraid
that I may have misunderstood....when you initially spoke of
abomination - do I understand you correctly that you were using
that term as you are referring to the experience when we are
engage energies that are not in line with our calling, our one
path? When we try to be someone different than who we are called
to be? And, is that thing always one calling, which I assume
can growth but will always be one calling?
MonSnoLeeDra:
EagleSinging
wrote: “MSLD, may I ask, as I'm afraid that I may have
misunderstood....when you initially spoke of abomination - do
I understand you correctly that you were using that term as
you are referring
to the experience when we are engage energies that are not in
line with our calling, our one path? When we try to be someone
different than who we are called to be? And, is that thing always
one calling, which I assume can growth but will always be one
calling?”
OK let me answer
this as best I can but be aware my head is still not fully here
at the moment so this may be a little fragmented. When one is
in balance they are all the facets of their many persona's.
For instance to my sons I am Dad, to my co-worker's I am Carl,
to my close friends and wife I am Butch. To the service people
I worked with I was either "Chief" or "Carl"
depending upon their rank in relationship to mine. To others
I was simply "Coach", "Scout Leader" or
"Mr _______"
The critical facet
of all this is that all times I was aware of being all those
things and that they were identities that made me known to those
about me. Where the Abomination comes in is when Dad became
a self-aware facet that claimed to be separate from the rest.
Where Carl and Butch would also become self-aware and develop
a sense of their self-worth and presence. In the end every time
I would say Butch, Carl, Dad, Chief whatever would be a complete
change in all facets. One could almost see a monster with many
heads, arms, legs and each struggling for dominance and control
over the host body. A creature where each part struggles for
control and even seeks to destroy the other facets that compete
against it for the outward persona that is reflected upon the
world.
When I initially
read of projecting the Warrior Within that later definition
was what I read in the passage though it was not what the author
had meant nor implied. To me that was the abomination that I
referred to. A true fragmented Spiritual Self. But unlike a
shattered soul where the pieces are missing and hiding, the
abomination was not hiding and nor required recovery they all
sough domination and control. Yet the balanced Spiritual Self
to me is like a kaleidoscope in that as the need turns the soul
simply shifts to meet it then goes back to the base level of
self. I think where I probably differ the greatest is that to
me they are indicators of the Spiritual Self's recognition and
ability to utilize each energy type but not dominated by them,
they are simply reflections of one surface. They do not dominate
for they are equal positions and abilities that the Spiritual
Self has the ability to utilize and project.
EagleSinging:
MSLD,
I thought you were quite clear and I followed you well. I am
tired but I hope my question makes sense. I may come back here
tomorrow to see if I made any sense at all! It seems to me at
least initially, that with this abomination that you are perhaps
speaking to when a person rallies one facet to the exclusion
of others, when one facet dominates to the exclusion of any
other facet. In the kaleidoscope analogy - which I like by the
way - Do you see fragmentation when one facet is
predominant (rather than dominates) in a given circumstance
while of course there is honoring of the whole?
MonSnoLeeDra:
“It
seems to me at least initially, that with this abomination that
you are perhaps speaking to when a person rallies one facet
to the exclusion of others, when one facet dominates to the
exclusion of any other facet.”
Somewhat. It really
is frustrating cause in my mind I know exactly what I see it
as but getting it on paper is difficult, especially in the balance
of the thing. It's just that it seems to dominate, but the rise
and domination is created from within as the host creates each
identity and gives it cause and purpose. Yet the energy applied
is such that it knows its Self and therefore seeks to be the
answering voice for all. There is a cartoon for the transformer's
that show a being that is situated upon a spinning base. The
creature has four distinct heads, each with a different persona
and face. Now these heads spin about first one answering then
another and yet another. Yet they seem balanced for the top
spins freely and each head speaks without seeming to dominate
the others but also supports the position of the others. Sort
of freaky and such but balanced. In the end it's a universal
opinion presented from each facet. In the abomination, the heads
spin but each has a separate opinion and argue to the point
that theirs and theirs alone is the correct one. The separation
of perspectives really apparent and disrupting to the whole
as each strives to be the right head making the right call.
To the point where you really don't know which is the "Self's"
actual position cause the parts are not complementing to the
whole.
“In the kaleidoscope
analogy - which I like by the way - Do you see fragmentation
when one facet is predominant (rather than dominates) in a given
circumstance while of course there is honoring of the whole?”
Actually yes.
To use the Warrior facet as an example. In an unbalanced or
balanced situation one may get to the point where only one perspective
is active or predominant. Yet in that predominance it's actually
destructive to the balance of the whole. For instance, I have
served with some that the study of knowledge was their predominant
trait. Day in and day out all they did was read about it. History,
theory, strategy and nothing else. When on break sitting in
their room just reading, at work when not active then just reading.
So predominant that they failed to realize that the stuff they
were taking in could not be used other than to spout of some
fact for their life had no balance to the material. You could
not see joy or pain only facts.
You also saw it
quite a bit in the way one raised and treated their family.
The person who raises their children as if they were members
of the military with all the hurry, hurry, hurry, step right,
step left, fall in, etc. So predominant that again they missed
the balance that goes between the various facets and influences
of them. Yes they saw the healer, father, dreamer, etc. but
always in how the discipline military leader would use it and
not in any other capacity. I think the Samurai of old Japan
actually saw it the clearest and the dangers of giving in to
the predominant piece. To the Samurai one learnt and studied
the art of war and mastery of weapons and self. It was their
calling in life and they dedicated great amounts of time and
energy to it. Yet they also realized that it was one sided or
lopsided for it actually robbed them of what they were striving
for. So while one trained in the art of war they also balanced
it with the art of some other practice. Many Samurai were skilled
poets and artist taking as great a care to understand the Poet
and touch it as they did the Warrior. Now their poetry held
many military facets and movements in it but it was still the
creative force of the poet. I suppose on many levels I connect
to that knowing of the Warrior Path for the literature is my
counter side and one I often take up as a balance to the aggressive
facet. Yet I am told much of my writing and poetry has the military
element to it but softened and more passive and feeling to it.
Yes and long winded as well. But that notion of predominating
from a given perspective is one of the dangers of any path-walk
I think. The deeper we delve and dig into our calling the greater
the likely hood of such occurring. That is the danger I think
that we may forget or fall captive to. I suppose one could compare
it to the botanist that stands in a field of flowers but can
only see the single one that holds his/her attention at the
expense of all the other flowers in the field.
EagleSinging wrote:
“On a personal but definitely related note, I have been
observing how people see me, what they expect of me, and what
role they perceive I have in their life and how they react when
I'm" in character" with whatever role they have put
me in or when I'm "out of character" in that role.”
I think that is
one of the greatest dangers to humanity. It definitely is visible
in the interaction that has occurred in the original thread.
We are all character's in life's drama but we do not all use
the same definition of what a role is. Then add that we play
different roles within the larger role and it further adds to
the confusion. For me I have one persona I always presented
at work. A very strong yet detached position that was built
about procedure and observance. There was one woman I worked
with that I became friends with that actually made the statement
that I was so different outside of work that she had never seen
the relaxed side of me. It was as if I was two completely different
people with regards to family and my calling.
“I suppose
I may be one of those people who MSLD would say has a split
personality. Now, some argue that I have just that. I see myself
differently - naturally. I perceive myself as pretty grounded
(except for the occasional glitches) and one heck of a seeker.”
No, not at all.
Those types give me one heck of a headache as I can never follower
their logic or thoughts. There was a book and movie a number
of years ago called "Sybil" about a split personality.
Now most I have met are not that extreme but it's sort of the
same thing.
“I am not
one who sees myself as having any one role in this human existence,
as having any one path or calling. I am merely me.”
This is one I
think we fail to realize most often. I walk the Warrior Pathway
yet it is but one facet of the greater pathway I walk which
is in service to those I watch over. The problem I think is
that most look to the upper level notion and fail to dig into
the lower and deeper content of a thing. I have been the Fireman,
the rescue squad member, the coach, the scout leader and a few
others. All of them facets of the deeper calling of service
and protection through guidance. Some walk path-walks that are
equally deep but they only see one or a few surface actions.
Like the pathway of the healer is also that of the mother, the
counselor, the nurse, the hugger, the homeless shelter worker,
etc. The same as that of the teacher, formal teacher, guidance
counselor, coach, leader, etc. It is when we look to the deeper
element that I think we find the calling of our spirit but it
is the surface level that gains the most notice.
“This is
important for me to convey - These titles, these roles, do not
define me. They are things I do and they are what people expect
and anticipate me to play - but they are not me. None of them
define me.”
I disagree for
they all define us. Much of our sense of worth and worthiness
originates from how we see ourselves in the reflection of those
about us and how they see us. Our individual sense of self moves
us but the outward sense of how others see and know us is what
is used to decide the success of our lives and our ability to
touch and relate to others. It is that ability to touch and
relate that I think is what the Spiritual Self is here for and
seeks to experience. I think the critical factor, for me anyway,
is to know that I am all these things that others see in me
but also things they never see. The outward is the gauge I use
to judge and analyze the inside. The results of that questioning
and analysis the guidance that helps me move into those callings
that need more refining or better reflect and support the needs
of the inner self.
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INDEX
Page 3
(Main Section, Medicine Wheel, Native Languages &
Nations, Symbology)
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INDEX
Page 5
(Sacred Feminine & Masculine, Stones & Minerals)
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