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Finding a Way
to Live a Healed & Healthy Masculine
By Wynsong
This is going to be a freewheeling
journey through whatever the title means to me...
Please feel free to join in with your own insights...and experiences...
I journey my own stuff in my own journal...so you won't be 'hijacking'
my thread...
And I'm not sure that I can only do the masculine in isolation...as
I honestly don't think it can exist in isolation....but I could
be wrong...
And I'm going to start by looking at it from what I call a mythic
place...from the stories that influence the cultures that I
come from...which have been patriarchal for the last 6,000 years
or so...and were more matriarchal before that...
And I'm going to look at it, as it plays out in my own stories...
And I'm going to be looking at what the masculine creates...and
what is destroyed...because I really want to look at all of
it...
And I'm going to be honoring it all...The light masculine...the
dark masculine, and ever expression of masculine in between...
And I was pushed to start today, because there is a headline
in my newspaper about plunging necklines, and a female analyst
stated that since Adam and Eve we have been conditioned.....AND
I'm so tired of having one set of mythology used to describe
all human behavior...There are cultures where breast are not
the path to sin and degradation of society, people... where
human beings walk about mostly undressed by our standards...and
it doesn't create problems for the males within the societies
to function in that society. They obviously didn't eat the danged
apple, and so they can do naked in the Garden, quite nicely...and
without embarrassment.
AND SO...
Pushed...
Today, I'm going to have my head
all but shaved.
It is in preparation for the chemo that is to come, that will
result in my hair falling out, and my living bald for a bit.
Again...in our society...more men than women are bald...therefore,
between being bald and having no breast (especially as seen
from the right) I expect that there will be people who are confused
about which gender I am, on meeting me....
And that alone will confuse them, as to how they should act
towards me....
I expect this because, I know people who have experienced it.
And the confusion that it creates around how they should behave
around me, has surrounded me my entire life.
My Personal Story (which is unfinished)...
You see...when I was young, my dad wouldn't let me do anything,
"like a girl"....
When I was young....the textbooks said...that running long distances
was psychologically and physically damaging to women....
When I was young....despite living in a huge metropolis, I could
not play softball (boys only leagues - no girls leagues available)...
When I was young...I could coach
my boyfriend to throw the javelin, but I could not throw it
in competition...or do the
triple jump (see the bit about running)...
When I was young, my dad wanted me to compete like a 'boy'...to
throw, run and win like a boy....
But society didn't have a place for that.
When I was still young, but not as young, and I beat a boyfriend
at a game of 10 pin bowling (here in Canada, at that time, we
only had 5 pin...so I'd never 10 pin bowled before...and he
was football player at the university, and had grown up on the
border, so he had 10 pin bowled his whole life)...my mother
said..."Penny, let him win."
And later, when my now ex-husband washed his own shirts one
day...and announced it as he went upstairs...she turned to me
and said urgently..."You need to take better care of him."
Yup...there have been masculine/feminine issues in my life ...since
I came in....
And My Karmic Stories...(and of course they aren't finished
either...)
And if I go back through past lives...they are there too.
In my past lives (the ones I've seen fairly clearly)...I've
been male a lot...and I've died violently a lot.... I've died
because I lived in Roman times and was a foot soldier and the
lover of a superior, and I loved and wanted to love a woman,
who was pregnant with my child... ...He didn't like that...so
I died fairly young that lifetime.
I've died at the point of a spear as a crazed and angry male,
who was so hurt by the loss of his own family, by his inability
to protect that family...that he went on his own killing rampage,
dealing out the hurt and craziness that he himself had suffered...
I died lots of obscure lifetimes as well...obscured from my
own memory, except that it was a hard life of servitude and
powerlessness...and those lifetimes were male and female...
The female lifetimes (that are clearest)
I died as a child... Unable to stay...unable
to stop those who loved me from being hurt by my passing...
And my Ancestral stories....(and these ones aren't done yet
either, as we are all still playing out the patterns)....
Of strong women, who married strong men.
Who had children together...and then of men, who then found
themselves unable to speak their truth to these strong women...who
found they could not easily protect these strong women,
who do everything themselves...who have the opportunity to live
emasculated...,
or to die young...or to find their voice and meet these strong
women as equals and stand in the storms that can follow the
meeting of two strong fronts.... And mostly the men,
in my herstory did not go down that path...they loved quietly...supported
from a more passive place...or died,
created a place for themselves around providing, and let the
women do the rest.
They let their women shine...and
everyone paid a price for the way in which the energy dynamics
played out.
My mother always said, that when I was born, the angels parted
the clouds,
and said "Look out below, here she comes" ... she
always meant it with love...but it was also a testament to the
fact that where I go, upheaval tended to follow.
Thus, Hurricane Penny was born...and
isn't it interesting, that they are just now starting to name
tropical storms and hurricanes with masculine as well as feminine
names...
(And I got a surname through marriage and a spirit name that
automatically makes people think of
wind.)
I grew up out of my stories...and gave birth to an all-male
household....and I played out the role of Strong women that
my family stories tell...and my ex...well at the same age as
his own father died...he died to me as a husband...and began
the journey of birthing himself into my children's lives in
a more meaningful way for the first time....
And since I started to consciously walk a shamanic path....(South
American, rather than North American, for those who get confused
by some of my references)....it has been about finding a way
to live a healthy balanced masculine and feminine.
To live whole...and wholly...to be able to take all energies,
despite their polarity and allow the energies to merge and morph
and create and destroy and recreate. . .
I have to run...because it is time
to start my walk into the ceremony of letting go of my long
hair.... I'll be back ... to talk about what...?
The Judeo/Christian mythology that is the shadow upon which
my family, karmic and personal herstory is built....
To look at what I've done to shift the energetics of my Karmic/and
ancestral journeys...
I'll see which way the wynd blows...when
I come back.
Munay ki
Eagle Singing:
Hi Wynsong!
I enjoyed this. I want to take this in. Ill be back though.
RavenFireStoneWolf:
I
found your post interesting, but I am curious: how do you define
a strong woman?
This
issue is of interest to me right now as I am looking at the
masculine/feminine role models I had as a youngster. Many would
perceive that the women in my mothers family are strong
women: they make sure their voice is heard and "rule the
roost" so to speak.
In Islam,
women are often perceived to be powerless, but I'm not so sure
that that is really the case..
One
thing that has stood out to me in my own journeys in coming
to a point of balance about my Roman Catholic upbringing, is
that notions of women that come from the bible are a Roman interpretation,
not a Judeo-Christian. The Adam and Eve story, and the role
of women in the bible generally has (probably deliberately)
been misinterpreted in the Roman Church, and despite what other,
later, Christian sects may say, their interpretation is largely
that of the Roman Church (though in many cases, in an even more
severe, less truthful, interpretation).
Certainly,
masculine and feminine have. So to me notions of woman in the
Judeo-Christian story come from a European perspective, not
from the eastern perspectives that inspired the Bible. I suspect
that a similar thing has happened in Islam, to the extent that
the Roman Empire influenced Islam.
I'm
dashing through right now, but I will be back!
Wynsong:
The man that is the face
of the version of Shamanic path I follow, spoke of the patriarchal
nature of our mythology...Of the ways that the stories on page
2 of Genesis have colored our sense of abundance...(okay ...page
3 of my bible)
" And unto Adam he said, Because
thou hast hearkened unto the voice of they wife, and hast eaten
of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, :thou shalt
not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; 'in sorrow
shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and
thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the
herb of the field; in the sweat of they face shalt thou eat
bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast
thou taken for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return....
And I heard that story...I also heard
his stories (based in the security that he was an archeologist
and so would know this stuff) that the matriarchal societies...that
pre-existed the patriarchal sweep through Europe some 6000 +
years ago...were more peaceful...that there were no wars that
swept up and involved the entire areas that we have seen involved
since the patriarchal sweep....
So I heard....because it suited the
stories I was living with as a women born in the 50's and having
grown up and fought the good fight to create some equality between
the sexes....I heard that Patriarchy is bad...and Matriarchy
is good....I heard it, because it suited my stories to hear
it...
And in my personal journey, I could
point to all the ways that my femaleness had been held back
by the maleness of the other half of the species...I could teach,
but not do in so many areas...
And it wasn't until I went to the
North on the Medicine wheel that I walked, into the Mythic levels
of vibration...having cleared myself of some of the chains of
my personal stories (South) and my Ancestral and Karmic stories
(West), that I could step into Infinity...and start to see that
this wasn't just about me personally (past, present and future),
but that I was as caught in the chains of the stories of society
(the consensual realities of communities within communities)
in which my personal stories had grown.
And in this direction...I was given
a Soul Retrieval...in which the original wound was...a small
girl looking shaman like out of the corner of her eyes...to
the left...watching a black cloaked Father Christmas type figure
moving in and out of the space towards her (surging forward
so he could be seen...and then retreating)...The Father Christmas
figure would surge forward against a vortex, that was trying
to suck him out of the energetic field, and then start to fade
as it caught him...., but in the first description of the wound,
the vortex wasn't seen...and so... in being told about this
wound...I and all the shaman around me...saw the black clad
Father Christmas figure as the 'bad' guy...and the girl as the
innocent victim....
(when I asked questions of them,
from that perspective, I got no answers....little wonder)
Ahh the Victim, Perpetrator, Caregiver/Rescuer
triangle....I've lived there so long...
And it wasn't until the end of that
week, when we were doing some more work on the journey to rewrite
the contracts of that soul Retrieval, that I became sorrowful
as I watched the Father Christmas figure being sucked out...and
the girl never moving, just watching...and maybe feeling glad
to see it happening....
And over the course of the next few
months and years...I watched that scene repeated...as the feminine
sat and let the masculine be sucked out.... SHE just sat and
watched....and did nothing...well maybe not nothing...she saw
the masculine as perpetrator, and feeling gleeful to see it
happening, is doing something... (and in my family that kind
of energetic happening, would also engender some undercutting
of any balance that the figure would gain, as we would commented
(under our breath of course- so as not to have to take personal
responsibility for it)...at how much like them that behavior
was...with the underlying belief, of who would want to go through
life THAT WAY?)
It wasn't one of the moments on my
journey when I was overcome with joy at the discoveries I was
making....I was feeling a bit like a bitch...
And I looked at the stories of my
family and my past lives and my own life....and saw that same
energy... actually gifted with watching flashbacks of multitudes
of times I'd done just as the little girl was doing...watching...with
some joy, possibly, and doing nothing, maybe believing that
there was nothing I could do in my small powerless position...that
they'd put me in... when nothing was not all of my options.
Maybe convincing myself that some version of "divine justice"
was acted out...
The masculine was being destroyed
by the feminine...through inaction...through the justifiable
desire for retribution for all her wounds...in her victimhood,
she was becoming the perpetrator...
And I most assuredly can list all
the ways that the feminine had been victimized by the masculine...I
was weaned on that list....and grew into the new age of masculine
victimhood...
So I was sitting with a bunch of
perpetrating victims who were caught in a loop of action and
inaction...of retribution and passive aggressive poison...
And for some people the North was
so sweet. And it was sweet for me too, to step into Infinity...to
start to see that all that happens wasn't directed at me personally...that
Shift happens...and that it may feel like it was happening to
me, but in reality it is just happening, and that I get to write
my story around it.
And the beginning of finding peace
between the masculine and feminine within and around me...was
begun...
I am actively creating and living
a new map...within...and therefore without...
That isn't based on one part of the
energy being dominant...all the time....
It isn't about Power.. ... it is
about....
I'll get back to you on that one...because
Love...and Creation didn't work by themselves...
and if I have Power on one side...can
I have Love and Co-Creation...on the other...
The mathematician in me, is having
problems with the balance of that equation...
I'll sit with that...and see if I
can find the balance within
Munay Ki
if one set is POWER...and the opposite
set is LOVE and CREATION...
then where the two sets meet and
merge...(and if I look at that from the masculine I might say
where the boundaries of POWER and LOVE and CREATION are destroyed
and something new is born)...then the subset that is created
as the two sets overlap would maybe read
The POWER to LOVE and CREATE ...
Maybe
Munay Ki
Glad you are enjoying the
read, Eagle Singing....I don't know whether to hope that something
resonates for you are not. I will if it is part of your journey
to live balance and healthy masculine and feminine energy, and
you aren't currently able to do so.
Wolf, it definitely is not about
whatever the truth is...it is about how whatever stories we
took from all that is taught to us as we grow up...(subliminally
and not) lives in us...how it is expressed by us, when we aren't
even aware it is there...
A strong woman, by definition for me...and for me is all that
matters in my stories...is a women who ultimately can do it
all, and does...or thinks she does, at the very least, she'll
die trying. A strong woman, isn't limited by outside influences
to achieve her own goals, and is often taking care of everyone
she loves at the same time....and maybe doing volunteer work
for those she doesn't actually know. She is competent at all
she does...and has a clear idea of how it can best be done,
so people let her do it...some people seek her out, so she will
do it. She will have her hand in on anything she considers to
be important...and if she doesn't consider it to be important,
trust me, it probably isn't....and it is funny how often that
seems to be the focus of the men in her life....that unimportant
stuff.
OH>>>>and she never plays
the weak damsel in distress card, EVER...to get something done
for her. All images of herself as victim are likely suppressed...to
the point of such denial, she begins to believe her own press
releases about how strong she is.
By the way...this is an accurate definition/description of how
I used to do strong woman...it isn't a
healthy feminine...trust me, I know that, and it isn't a healthy
masculine either....
And when I lived that, it was amazing how many people and situations
I attracted to myself that needed my 'strength'...I love it
when a self-fulfilling prophecy comes together.
In my stories
my personal ones...the males in my/our lives,
loved our strength, and they have their own (or it is unlikely
we would have been attracted to them as a mate). They were often
intelligent, funny, passionate....and they usually represented
our shadow aspects perfectly...My ex was concerned with how
people saw us, and made financial security a complete priority,
and was completely sports oriented (I was a competitive athlete,
and my degree is in Physical and Health Education or Kinesiology)
and yet he did the sports thing so fully, I don't even watch
sports anymore, except to support my kids....I didn't have to
worry about any of those aspects of my life...how I fit in,
how I would be able to pay for stuff when I was 95, or competing...he
did all that for me...and I did all things related to running
the house, including those finances...and the boys and the families
and the friends, and the Spirituality.
We fit Jung's description of why people marry completely...we
married our Shadows...so we didn't have to live them.
He can tell you all the ways I de-masculated him...and I can
tell you all the ways he diminished and demeaned me...
None of the stories will be the actual facts or one provable
truth...they will be his truth...they will be my truth....they
may even be truth as seen through the eyes of another...Just
stories... He is all about what it is to be a man....so I'm
going out on a limb here and going to suggest he (at least back
then) was not able to have a relationship with his feminine,
except in being a powerless victim to my strength...and his
mom's before me....
AND I was all about the masculine too (outwardly...lol) ...in
a just because I'm a women, doesn't mean I can't do all that
you can do...kind of masculine way.... So I didn't have a good
relationship with my feminine either...
Little wonder, when I saw the feminine
as a powerless, victim of the patriarchal stories I'd been birthed
and weaned on...
AS a mother to my children, I was fiercely Mother...She Bear
mother, and people described me as the archetypical Earth Mother...and
I can tell you, that even in that feminine, I was able to add
a masculine spin to it.
So in my family, the patterns continued...Bob
started to see me as he saw his mother...and on levels he can't
even begin to give voice to, he now has a need to save his boys
from me...so they won't be damaged by my over mothering. Even
though he acknowledges that because he himself abdicated all
parental responsibilities (maybe so he wouldn't have to confront
one of my main passions face to face) that he at least is partially
responsible for my having to "over" mother.... AND...I
was trying to save the boys from becoming their father...
Lousy place to be a child (of any sex)....caught in the tug
of war between two parents who didn't have a clear balance within
themselves...
So then...I abdicated...and he over mothered.....
You can always count on the pendulum...to at least visit the
center briefly....
So now... I'm finding a space to
be comfortable with the masculine and feminine in equality and
creative flow.... I sit with
the sun and its energy...a sit with the moon and its energy...
I watch life and see it differently...watching the flow of energy
from Yin to Yang and back again...
And it is beautyfull that way...
Time for breakfast...who knew I had
all that to say... Munay ki
RavenFireStoneWolf:
Wynsong,
I found your post very interesting: the third para perfectly
describes the "strong women" in my mother's family.
In all but one case, this has been to their detriment. I think
in many respects the aunt (by marriage) I stay with in Ireland
(where I am off next week) and my aunt in Canada are, to me,
definitions of a strong woman. Both accepts that people aren't
perfect, neither kick up a fuss nor try and force people around
to them to their opinion, they seem to be able to accept that
people get things wrong, and carry on with what she has to do,
i.e. the important stuff, quietly and without criticism, regardless.
In Kabballah, the chief word associated with the feminine principle
is Understanding. For the Masculine, it is Knowledge. It strikes
me that Understanding is to be able to do what is right, regardless
of pressures in the mundane, In many respects, from a basis
of understanding, I see women of my grandmother's generation
as being stronger than the woman from my mother's generation
and much stronger than the women of my own and those coming
forward. To me Understanding implies an innate knowledge of
the true order and I feel that that has been lost in women over
the last half century. I believe that, at one time, and I'm
talking particularly about the time of the Women's suffrage
movement, that women did need to make a stand: to ensure that
their innate understanding did populate the minds of the decision
makers in our societies, but looking at my parents, it's almost
as if that process went too far and women wanted to become men:
not in a healthy balanced sorta way, but in an unhealthy, masculine-biased
sorta way. Instead of adding balance to our societies by that
innate understanding, women seemed to want to copy the unhealthy
male model and become dominant in the way that Knowledge uninformed
by Understanding made western, and indeed any society infiltrated
by such western values, societies unhealthy. It may be different
in the States and Canada, though, to a degree, I feel that this
notion comes from a Consumerist viewpoint that was born in the
US, but certainly British Woman have become parodies of the
unhealthy male stereo-type.
General
comment:
I think one of the reason for this is that notions of the healthy
masculine principle of Knowledge are difficult to philosophize
in our modern ear and easy to get wrong and I think this is
largely a result of the Roman church's dominance in the acquisition
of material knowledge throughout the first millennia of the
Christian European/Western era. Indeed beyond the wealthiest
in our society is pervaded almost into the 20th Century. The
invention of printing press did begin to change things as poorer
people could own books, but they were still very expensive and
the majority of the populace could not read or write well into
the nineteenth century: in researching my father's family tree,
I found some in the 1800's who could not even sign their own
name on marriage records. They were not the exception looking
through the many pages of records I had to look through to find
my family's records.
The
Roman church was the most powerful organization on earth at
the start of the second Christian millennia. It was the repository
of material knowledge, so Knowledge became associated with external
power. In the Kabbalah, the masculine principle of Knowledge
has a very different meaning. It is not a force to be exerted
without, but a force to be used to bring that innate understanding
of the feminine principle within. Knowledge is perceived as
a force that enables a man to comprehend the world around him,
and his place in it, not to subsume it. The masculine principle
enables a man to see a tree and know that it can be used in
many ways to make his situation more comfortable, not to see
another man (or woman)and know this is a means to make his position
more comfortable. In many respects, this is where the feminine
principle of Understanding comes in: it informs Knowledge what
is the right order of things. The church's demonization of women
effectively left man to grow ever further from that Understanding,
whilst at the same time, demonizing women as a whole: to the
point where man's own innate understanding, free of the feminine
principle, became demonized too: once that happened all notions
of "right" seemed to become lost; the slave-trade
from Africa seems to be a case in point of showing that loss
of Understanding of the natural order and how we got to where
we are today: living in world where the gap between those who
have (the developed world) and those who have not (the under-developed
world) is so great. That this is a Roman invention becomes clear
when one looks at the Celtic church in Europe were there was
an equal balance between male and female saints and how that
changed after the 600's when the Roman Church began to take
precedence over the Celtic.
I think
it is in the balancing energies thread that Cinn speaks of the
joining of the man and woman to continue that state of balance
by constantly circulating the interaction between the masculine
and feminine principles that I call Knowledge and Understanding,
so that both males and females can share of the value of each
other's medicine. But in some respects, without that basic understanding
of those energy flows, I wonder if that process has not itself
become part of the problem: in that the misunderstood (whether
deliberate or out of ignorance) notion of feminine medicines
as a passive force has not in fact led to the subjugation of
women and so, therefore, Understanding that has led us to where
we are today: and therefore does this not say that the process
alone cannot create a situation whereby Knowledge and Understanding
can be exchanged between the sexes?
Getting
back to where I started, and my journey watching my parents,
in many respects, my father's Journey was influenced by his
mother's Journey and here we come to where I feel society as
a whole plays a bigger part in our stories. We don't know what
happened to my paternal grandfather: there are stories but nothing
more, but my grandmother was left to bring my father up on her
own for the early part of his life. She married again, and had
two more children, but by all accounts she was still very much
alone with three young children. To be in this situation in
the 1930's in a relatively poor area of the north of England
cannot of been easy for her. I can just remember my gran, who
died when I was about twelve, but what I have learned of her
story I have only learned relatively recently: and that is that
she was a lady with a lot of Understanding: this I remember:
but what I didn't realize is that she was also a bright lady
who was able to use her initiative to rear her three children.
In many respects, I can see the comparison with my mother: almost
like their drive to bring the next generation forward was their
over-riding drive. But there, apparently, the situation ends.
By all accounts, my gran never complained about her situation;
my mother, on the other hand, never stopped complaining: one
did
the task willingly, the other begrudgingly.
I realized
quite recently that my parent's roles were reversed in my seven
years before my parents split. At that time, in most families
in the early 70's, mother still stayed at home and great emphasis
was still placed on child-rearing as a valuable occupation:
in many respects more valuable than the father's principle occupation
of earning money; as that occupation was purely aimed at providing
for the family: in other words, his occupation was almost secondary
to the principle role of family of child-rearing. But in my
early childhood household, it was my father who was there when
I came home from school, and my mother who arrived in at 5pm
from work. My dad was a policeman, and by the time I came along
my dad was desk-sergeant working a regular 6am-2pm shift. By
the same token, my mum was a factory nurse and occupational
health officer by that time, so she worked 9-5. Yeh, it was
mum who got me ready for the childminders/school in the morning,
but my dad who picked me up, made meals (as an ex-army-chef,
he did all the cooking), read bedtime stories, my dad baked
on days off, was more likely to be there in school holidays
for some reason and my dad did the family shopping on a Saturday.
Like I said, my mum came in from work after 5pm. It strikes
me that dad Understood what a child and family needed, and it
was my mum who seemed to me to play the Power-games role, particularly
once the end-game of their marriage started to play out. There
were elements that were normal for the time: dad decorated and
did the garden and mum did washing and ironing. I know that
my mother's father was a very dominant figure, and his epilepsy
played a big part in my mum's life and her perception of her
mother's struggle: a struggle she was determined not to repeat.
In many respects, both my grandmothers seemed to Understand,
and perhaps my parents both suffered in different ways as a
result: my mother determined not to (as she saw it) suffer in
the way her mother did, and my father perhaps trying to emulate
that quality, but being born a man, struggling with that: which
coupled with my mother's power-plays, invariably led my father
to lash out, unable to command the Knowledge he needed to respond
to my mother's. It seems to me now that between them my mother
and father possessed the qualities necessary to rear a family,
and to assist each other become whole, but the roles were reversed.
Perhaps they found each other to find that balance within themselves,
but somehow, perhaps, their reversed qualities simply emphasized
their failings of their own sex's medicine. I don't know much
of my father's journey after their divorce, but from what I
do know, he seemed to retreat further into Understanding. perhaps
he was My mother was always described by her colleagues as a
very caring person, but that was her job: and it was that job
that gave her her prestige and allowed her to continue her power
Journey.
After
my parent's divorce my mother had to respond to both roles:
perhaps something she struggled with, and perhaps the divorce,
by necessity, emphasized her belief that she needed Knowledge,
which to me very much equates to material success and the power
that comes from that, more than she needed Understanding. I
grew up with notions of material Knowledge ingrained in me,
so notions of Understanding were very much secondary concerns
and not something I learnt from my mother. My mother had determined
that Understanding led to what she perceived as suffering, and
instilled that in me, particularly aspects of suffering she
believed my father brought to her life.
I now
wonder if this is why I have had so many female teachers in
my spiritual life: to assist me in learning Understanding. If
I look back at many lessons from the last few years, particularly
the repetition of my early life with my neighbor's arguments
and, more recently, divorce. I see that I was learning to Understand.
In many respects this was not only about healing my own Journey,
but about learning about healing others too. I see a deep reflection
of my own Journey in their (now 23) son's. Being able to stand
back and witness this Journey, I have been able to see where
I needed to heal.
But
I have been very much aware that I could not using Knowledge
(i.e. my own experience of the son's Journey) to heal: healing
can only come from Understanding and until he learns that Understanding,
as I have had to do, he cannot heal. There may have been other
aspects of my parents' Journey I have missed or that I have
yet to fully Understand, but I have gained enough Understanding
to be able to move on from an aspect of my life that haunted
me. That left me with a big question in my life: how do I right
these imbalances. How do I bring forward a positive image of
myself based on healthy aspects of masculine and feminine? I
feel I have learnt a great deal about Understanding, but what
about Knowledge? What is Knowledge in the sense of the masculine
principle?
In
Kabbalah it is described as the Creative Impulse: the impulse
to bring forth Creation. It is not thought, as it is more instinctive
than that: perhaps instinct is the word I am looking for: yeh
I have heard it described as such. It is basically something
that is simply "Known" (hence it is described as Knowledge).
On the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, it is the first emanation from
Primal Will (Creator/Spirit/God) But Understanding is needed
to bring forth the Creation. Knowledge is described as the seed
that is implanted in (intuitive) Understanding that brings forth
life. if you think about it, when we Journey, we often go to
places that, to our mortal mind, make no sense, but somehow
we understand. Maybe our minds need "time" to Understand.
Maybe this is where notions of time come from. Understanding
is the second emanation from Primal Wisdom, implying that as
the bible tells us, Mankind was made "in the image of God"
with the instinctive unthinking, ability to Create. In kabalistic
language, everything has this instinct and it is the guiding
force that created our Universe and continues to create on a
daily basis in each and every organism, no matter how innate
or how simple. That sounded daft to me when I first read it,
cause I couldn't see how a rock for instance can create in and
of itself. But when I thought about it, a rock is worn down
via the forces of wind and water and sometimes fire and eventually
becomes soil. Soil plays a part in Creation in that it sustains
life directly. But stone, like many other seemingly innate forms,
also has Understanding: it understands it's body is to be used
by man to for many things that sustain or enhance life: like
shelter or art: ever heard a stone saying it doesn't want to
be a part of a house? Stone Understands that this is only a
temporary state of being and that one day it will, of itself,
help to create life, and that one day, after it has being split
many times more, it will, as dust, form part of a new life-form.
In the
World of Form, instinctive Knowledge, coupled with Understanding,
has allowed Mankind to create many things, but we have, in many
cultures, lost that ability to use both. I realized some time
ago that the chapter in Genesis that says "he created them
male and female" cannot be correct, because it came before
he created Adam. From this realization came the realization
that this was to do with our spirit, not our physical form,
and I remembered the Knowledge and Understanding of Kabbalah.
Shortly after I read of the translation error in the Genesis
1:2 and that a true interpretation was "he created them
masculine and feminine". That these two spiritual elements
pre-existed the Creation (of Adam) implied that both were inherent
in that Creation.
I've
been single for over ten years now. Yeh, I've had a few flings,
but something instinctively told me I needed to be single. In
Kabbalah, we are created by coming down the Tree of Life, and
in doing so we Remember that this is not our true state of Being.
Our Journey, if we choose to take it up, is to traverse back
up the Tree of Life whilst in human form: and regain that lost
Understanding that our human conditioning has created. There
are many "Worlds" within Kabbalistic philosophy: far
too many for us to Understand in one lifetime, so my belief
is that we come back again and again to try and perfect our
Humanness: create Heaven on Earth as the bible tells us and
each time we learn a different aspect of our humanness and each
experience (subliminally for the most part) informs the next
lifetime. So in any lifetime we may gain Understanding on a
particular subject, or if we have been here many lifetimes,
we may be able to bring the lessons learnt over those many lifetimes
into sharp focus into later lifetimes. But, just as we come
to Understanding before we come to Knowledge as we traverse
back up the Tree of Life, so we must come to Understanding of
what it is we need to create before we can come to Knowledge
of how to create and fulfill that need in any lifetime. I am
rapidly coming to the conclusion, that, whilst we can assist
each other in reaching our goal of Knowledge and Understanding
of what we really are, in the end, that is a Journey we can
only walk alone as it is a Journey within. If that ability to
Understanding is inherent within us all, and we can strip out
our cultural conditioning, then why do we need another to assist
us: surely we can learn just as much from observation of the
world around us? I can't help feel that the "Joining"
argument is a hangover from religious ideals that were aimed
far more at temporal power than a desire for fulfillment of
our potential.
In many
respects, religion, and more latterly politics, has created
a situation whereby Mankind has not taken responsibility for
its individual and group Journey, and I think it is for these
reasons that we have forgotten the truth, particularly about
Knowledge, and we have sought material Knowledge as a means
to power. I think this is true of earliest star-gazers who became
the Magicians of later cultures, whose instinctive knowledge
initially benefited Mankind, through to the socialist movement
in politics. It doesn't matter which "osophy" we use
to describe the Beingness of Mankind, or which system of Spiritual
Journey, I think we all recognize that we are missing something
in our lives. People come along who proclaim to know the answer,
and we give away our power for a while or we think we have the
answer and we seek power for a while, but the human story shows
that no system can give us the answer, we can only seek it out
for ourselves. The moment we start to give away that power or
responsibility, we ebb and flow between either one aspect or
the other and just as we say that the victor writes the history
books, so it is with spirituality: the most powerful subverts
the less powerful; whether that is matriarchal or patriarchal:
and neither gives the full story and leads to unhealthy images
of both, as our current patriarchal society has shown. I doubt
that it was any different under a matriarchal society. I believe
Patriarchal society has made women forget what is important,
which created imbalances in men, and I am sure the opposite
was the case in a matriarchal society, or else we would still
be living under one. To me, Politics is like a microcosm of
this: we vote for one party for a while, and they get arrogant,
think they do not need our approval, things go wrong, and we
show them the door.
Excess
seems to be the factor that changes things and tips the balance
back in the opposite direction, by reflecting what is wrong.
I think it is human nature to not know when we have reached
the tipping point: when enough has been done to balance the
original imbalance and we go to excess: whether we are speaking
of consumerism, woman's suffrage, war and violence or anything
else. I think we are at that stage in our personal and human
evolution where the tipping point has been past and nature will
have to show us the way back to balance.
CinnamonMoon:
The
spiritual balance of the masculine and feminine energies within
us is something we all struggle to achieve (consciously or not).
Thank you for this continuing thread, Wynsong, it's a great
and very useful topic to ponder and work through. I know the
strong woman that can do it all too, I was her for a long time
and Stars was there a reaction from family and friends when
I refused to carry the weight others were capable of carrying
themselves. It was upheaval everywhere. I needed to balance
myself though, to stop spending energy uselessly at my own expense
so others didn't have to. Once I saw that and began to change
my ways my pace eased up. Then I found room for other stuff.
LOL It took me a few years to sort all that out, it sure didn't
come overnight with the enlightenment, it took effort for me
to change me. I was my worst critic and I felt I was failing
others because of the conditioning of my environment growing
up.
Wolfie,
I'd respectfully disagree with you that women are losing strength
through the generations. I would like to give you a slightly
different perspective on that from a woman's point of view.
If you look at the feminist movement you'll see the uproar around
it and the 'fight' to be recognized equally. That's what this
is about initially
either we fight it inside ourselves
or in society or both (usually both). In order for change to
take place it called for upheaval of what was no longer valid
and then it settled down. That's when Mother Earth had put out
the call for her daughters to come home to her and those who
heard it responded. They were coming home to their own femininity
in its strength but through its weaknesses to find that strength
.through
the need for equality
.balance. Once that was accomplished
the 'battle' was over (though I think in many ways we're still
fighting for it). I can see where your perception of the generations
would give you this impression you hold, the times were different
for your grandmother, different again for your mother, and different
now for the women of your generation. But that is part of the
adjustment process, we have to learn to walk differently too
so there is a lot of trial and error in the way we get our bearings
with it all. But through those generations we saw the upheaval
and the adjustment taking place, adjustment also means that
the masculine side of society had to come to embrace this and
that continues to be the case too. There was a lot of lip-service
but underneath that opinions hadn't fully undergone their metamorphosis.
It takes time and it's still in process. The destruction of
old norms or images had to come before the restructuring could
take place. We're witnessing this today but not just in the
physical or mental sense, we're experiencing it emotionally
and spiritually too.
In the
definition given by the Kabballah where the feminine principle
is Understanding and the Masculine is Knowledge we see the spiritual
result of that in the balance when it's achieved. Understanding
how to use the knowledge we gain brings us to the sacred
the
Wisdom. Male or female we all have to find that within ourselves
and it is a process of growth that happens over time and through
experiencing the events that take place in our lives and how
we walk our talk. We do all make mistakes, see things from blind
spots at times, clearly at others and it's a giant jigsaw puzzle
to piece it all together it seems. Spiritually we as women do
tend to innately understand things, we feel through them with
our senses by our very nature so I agree with you
that the
Understanding implies an innate knowledge
we Know things
because we feel the truth in them. If we second-guess ourselves
(which is part of that learning curve exercise) we tend to find
that we were mistaken to do so. Time and time again we discover
this until we stop doing that. It's not always easy for a man
to embrace those sensations or accept that women do because
they are more physically oriented by their very nature, they
have to see things for themselves, feelings are dismissed or
kept under control or perceived as invalid often in the way
men are reared (or were reared in a patriarchal perspective).
Now for
women, as for men, exploring those opposing perspectives and
ways of perceiving are very challenging because they go against
our basic dominant nature to begin with. Women feeling, men
seeing, and being told to do the opposite feels foreign, awkward,
and unrealistic-at first. Then bring in the 3rd sex when someone
is at home with both of these methods to some degree and it
really confuses others as they can't define things, that 3rd
sex individual operates from both poles and others feel there
is something wrong or not quite right about that. This process
in society had to break down so many old taboos and ways of
perception. Gay rights, women's rights, civil rights, cultural
and social issues were uprooted and now we're finding that in
that process things went to extremes and a bit out of balance
in that too. It's settled some but still has a long way to go
to find the temperance we're searching for. It begins one person
at a time too
in each of us
and one by one we find
it and then live it and add to the balance of the whole that
way.
Women have,
traditionally speaking, held the spiritual understanding of
the truth while men have held the religious knowledge to enforce
it. IMHO. I agree with Wynsong when she said that the matriarchal
societies were less war-like in nature (though there were some
very war-like ones too) for the most part. They were peaceful
and the women understood the roles they played and the leadership
in
essence running their social structure much like our grandmothers
ran their households. It wasn't for the outward show of power,
it was done with rules that sustained the balance and harmony
within the home allowing it to function well. When the patriarchal
process began that harmony began to be dysfunctional and an
imbalance occurred. Not that one way is better than the other
either, please don't get me wrong there, it's that in the extreme
both are wrong and it takes the union of the two to create the
sacred trinity where we live both physically and spiritually
in balance with All Our Relations.
During
the time of the suffrage movement many believed that women didn't
have a soul. They were less than a man and that came from the
Original Sin stories. Woman owed life to Man, born of him. Here
in the US they had to fight for the vote, then fight for their
right to be in society as an equal to man. For many years if
a man and woman held the same job you would be guaranteed that
the man would earn at least 25% more than the woman because
she was still perceived as less deserving. Honoring each other
and seeing the equality in ourselves as human beings there is
no need to see who deserves more than another when the work
done is the same. Society and the general population had to
adjust to this and in that adjustment we had to adjust ourselves
and our spiritual as well as religious beliefs.
When the
Earth Mother began calling her daughters home we can look at
the Old Religion prophecy unfolding. For generations the ways
of the Old Religion had to fall back into the shadows and they
were recorded by the women and kept in a Book of Shadows
the
knowledge
and understanding
became family tradition as it was handed down secretly. But
in that there was a prophecy of a time that would come where
the truth could be revealed again. Now this wasn't just limited
to the witchcraft or pagan traditions, it was found cross-culturally
and is evident in Native teachings too. The time for sharing
the hidden or sacred teachings came about at the same time as
the women's movement began to develop. Why? Because there was
a need for it and a need to see the truth resided in all traditions
equally valid. The equality that came in so many different guises
had to touch every aspect of society and every person in it.
Those who did not feel called to serve that would fight it,
and even those called to serve struggled to understand at first.
Spiritually the Great Mother instructed, impressed, and guided
her daughters. And while she did Spirit instructed, impressed
and guided the men. It takes a spiritual as well as physical
balance to grasp the whole of it and enter into the Divine Union
and partnership.
I don't
see women growing weaker, I see them balancing out and raising
a new generation of children that are better able to accept
and work with this state of balance in themselves and in life
without the restraints of our misguided ways of the past. Yes,
initially there were matters taken too far, the extreme swing
of that pendulum had to take place to set the momentum, it had
to make an impact on the patriarchal mindset in order to break
through the resistance again and again until it found 'place'
within the whole. Of course that wasn't healthy, but it was
a learning experience and healthy began to take form as a result
of those that could see where there needed to be some damage
control. Women copied the male model to find the masculine side
of their nature and then learn to function with it. Rather than
being passive they had to become assertive and that was a huge
challenge with a lot of resistance to give them credit. Most
didn't understand what was happening to them unless they were
spiritually attuned. And to bring forth that attunement we had
the Spiritual Awakening happening at the same time. Religious
bodies got involved there. The world was changing like it or
not and there were people and organized traditions on both sides
of that line.
Spiritually
the passive nature of the feminine, when in blended harmony
with the assertive nature of the masculine, allows for all of
us (male or female) to both receive and act accordingly. We
need to be passive to receive, we need to listen to guidance
in whatever form we are accustomed to, perhaps even to new forms
presenting themselves. We also need to be assertive and act
on that guidance to follow it. So there is a bit of both in
all of us and the battle of the ages through matriarchal and
patriarchal domination is now subsiding to become a joint partnership
a
state of balance where we parent ourselves this way and grow
to understand the knowledge we hold and wise enough to use it
properly. Whoa! Isn't that a novel idea? LOL I think the problem
you see, Wolfie, is the struggle to find that balance, not that
the struggle itself is the issue, the balance is though.
My generation
began setting out to break the chains, the dysfunctions (consciously
or not) and in that the family ways were broken down to be restructured
and do things differently. That was part of the Change that
is more openly discussed today than it was back then. The movements
through society in whatever capacity they may present themselves
affect the family unity and the individual too. We were to make
choices and learn as we went how to do that, there were no rule
books or guidelines to follow. The upheaval was thus a very
natural part of initiating that Change, like nature bringing
a storm through to clear the air. Part of that upheaval was
coming to terms with our egos too, bringing them into balance
with our higher awareness that we were getting
used to. It's so multi-layered, noting could go unchanged if
this was to balance out because both the patriarchal and matriarchal
extremes needed to settle down and yield control over to tolerance
and respect for one and other. The feminine assertion needed
to be understood as did the masculine passivity. Role reversals
were part of that process, women went to work and some men started
to stay home, roles in the household were shared, people began
to experiment with new ways of doing things and yes, mistakes
were made along the way, it was all trial-and-error stuff in
spite of the organization of these movements. Life was teaching
us our lessons, Spirit, Mother Earth, Grandmother Moon, Grandfather
Sun
they were teaching us to see in both the light of day
and by night in our blindness and we had to find our way groping
or running into what we felt driving us to do what was right
to
right the imbalances, to restore the harmony, to respect, honor,
and show compassion for each other. It wasn't easy then and
it's still not easy now
unless you hold the Knowledge and
the Understanding and can walk in that balance. There you find
the tolerance that has so long been sought, not tolerance in
the sense of putting up with things, but in Understanding that
we each have to come to this in our own way, force is not the
answer, timing is individual (be that an individual, society,
culture what-have-you), and thus accepting that it will happen
when it's meant to happen and our contribution is to walk in
balance and lead by that example. Our contribution is to help
those who ask for our help in gaining their Understanding and
Knowledge so that they too can find their way to balance and
walking in it according to their nature. The diversity of a
world in harmony and balance is going to be beautiful and I
hope I live long enough to see it fully emerged but I wonder
if that's to be granted to me too. *Soft smile* We'll see. In
the meantime I am focused on what an honor it is to be a part
of that being initiated, to watch an era change, and to correct
myself with all the kicking and screaming and complaining I've
done, to stop that and get to work. So that's what I'm doing
and I rather enjoy this state of balance I have found for myself
today, but it sure didn't come easy. I turned myself inside
out and upside down to get here.
In all
this what I've come to see is that we need to learn to flow
with the natural order
it takes the masculine and feminine
forces to bring forth creation
be that within ourselves
or as individuals procreating. I think the Knowledge that you
seek is found in the root of the word Know
you feel the
truth as a feminine principle and you act on it as the masculine
principle
both reside within each of us. Our roles, or
the way we walk our talk have to change to allow that to function
properly and that's what we're witnessing as we watch societies
and nations battle through this. We can only be responsible
for ourselves and we always start there to begin with so once
we learn to do this within us we can shine our light brightly
by example, share with those seeking to do the same, and one
by one contribute to the greater whole wherever we're at. On
a global scale that's a massive evolutionary moment. Individually
it means assuming personal responsibility for finding that balance
within ourselves though, we can't look to others to do it for
us, only to teach us how to get there. We have to exercise our
free will and make those changes ourselves. It's a matter of
choice
do we choose to walk with our egos or do we choose
to walk with Spirit and Mother Earth to make the world a better
place? Rhetorical question. *Soft smile*
RavenFireStoneWolf:
(((Cinn)))
I don't think we are actually that far adrift in perspectives.
I am not questioning the Women's suffrage movement: yes, it
was absolutely necessary, there is no way either sex school
should somehow be considered less worthy. Trying to bring 101
to my thoughts, I see the problem as two-fold: firstly that
masculine orientated religion did take us away from a healthy
spiritual balance, but that, in more recent times, and I still
believe that this was as a result of the effects of the suffrage
movement, we have now lost all sense of balance.
Perhaps
this Chaos was necessary: as Chaos seems to me the first phase
of any change. And perhaps living in Britain, not the US, I
see/feel that Chaos more acutely: Britain is a small, almost
monolithic (in terms of its opinions) island where, in comparison
to the more diverse US, change seems to happen much quicker.
For the same reasons the effects of change seem to be much more
profound. I see the changes in civil rights arenas that have
come about under our current government, and whilst some are
for the better, I feel that many actually have damaged the very
people that they are meant to protect: It's not just women rights
organizations which have gone too far: gay rights laws. racial
equality laws. poverty laws, the British Welfare State and a
whole manner of other such laws and new ideas that perhaps had
"right intention" have actually worked against society
as a whole and particularly those whose lives they were meant
to improve. The Welfare State has created generations for whom
the idea of work is anathema to the point that the system cannot
now function for those who are genuinely in need. Racial equality
laws have not really helped create racial equality, but they
have been used by minorities to batter those who are not racial
minorities and have, in effect, created bigger divisions than
were there before the laws were introduced. To be gay in Britain
is now "trendy" and that causes a whole heap of problems.
EU Human Rights laws have created a situation where criminal's
rights are perceived as more important than the rights of their
victims or society as a whole.
It
strikes me that what often starts out as a group taking responsibility
for itself, and asserting its rights, often ends with that group
taking things too far. This topic is about the different between
masculine and feminine, and therefore I chose the Women's Suffrage
movement as such an example I don't disagree for one moment
that the patriarchal society is responsible for that movement.
But the perspective I was looking at this from was the perspective
of masculine and feminine. Unless we wish to change the whole
notion of those forces, then we are still left with the feminine
being a receptive force and the masculine being an active force.
One needs the other, and neither can create without the other.
A child is not produced without a seed or a vessel to carry
that seed. In many respects they represent nature and nurture
too; and both are required to sustain life. What I see is that
the nurture part is missing in our society: the nuture element
is no longer seen as a valid occupation. This is very evident
in households where both parents work and in single parent households.
I felt it, but at that time I was in a minority (in that divorce
and single parents were not the norm 35 years ago in Britain).
But I was lucky, I lived in a middle class area where that was
very much still the norm, and we still lived in a time when
communities took the strain in such a situation: I had lots
of friends in my community and when my mother was working, any
day to day needs that were not provided were taken care of by
my friend's mothers, who were all at home. I also got to see
regular family life through those situations.
But
today things are very different. Life in Britain today is all
about buy to let mortgages, flat screen TVs, I-pods, mobile
phones, SUV's and PS2's: and for the majority of UK households
that aspirational lifestyle (that first surfaced in the 50's
in the States!) requires both parents to work. Even in two parent
households (which are far from the norm here today) children
are missing out on the kind of upbringing I had where that combination
of nature and nurture works together, even if in unorthodox
ways. Now, I can see the value of such a situation: in that
children are not being shown stereotypical models of masculine
and feminine. But the immediate effect of that is that children
are rejecting adults and any form of authority. It's as if,
having been left to their own devices, they are rejecting any
kind of societal values, and, in particular, respect, both for
themselves and consequently for others. We have had, on average,
a teenager killing another teenager every other week so far
this year in London. An 11 year old was shot in Liverpool as
a gang initiation. Anyone who queries these gangs of what the
press have described as "ferule" youths risks their
own mortality, and a number of adults; fathers, husbands etc.
have been murdered by these gangs in the last year. We have
had a spate of teenager/young adult suicides in south Wales.
One of the things young people have rejected entirely is any
form of spirituality. Now, in time, they will realize that there
is something missing in their lives, and may seek a spiritual
path: but we have seen how this could play out with Britain's
Muslim community: by the failure of Muslim parents to integrate
into British society, their children, who went to school here
etc. and are far more aware of British society, were effectively
no different than the ferial children we are seeing today in
British society as a whole: having to make their own way in
life as their parents were unable to nurture them (in their
case in the ways of a society they were not a part of), and
the children, having seen a more liberal way outside the home,
rejecting the religious culture of their parents, only to find
that the materialistic society their parents aspired to (or
they would not have come to Britain) was not the pot of gold
at the end of the rainbow. In this situation, they were wide
open to negative masculine extremist views that seemed to offer
a way out of their problems.
I'm
not saying that all this is a direct result of Women's Suffrage,
I think that other forces, such as politics, play a bigger part
in our current woes than Suffrage in and of itself. But what
I am saying is that that movement paved the way for a thinning
of the boundaries between the roles of male and female in our
society that has been used by unscrupulous patriarchs for their
own ends. Politicians particularly have used that thinning to
mobilize women to increase the British Gross Domestic Product
(the total income of our country) by creating an aspiration
for consumer goods particularly. Our current government has
used women MP's as a role model: the talk is of equality, but
the underlying reasoning for this is purely the increase in
GDP, which increases the standing of those politicians on the
world political stage by increasing tax revenue, and allowing
our government to make grand gestures like giving away our EU
rebate which makes other countries richer thus creating new
export markets to further increase Britain' GDP. That many of
these women politicians, such as Harriet Harmon, the deputy
Prime Minister, exhibit very pronounced negative masculine qualities
(such as greed for power) reinforces a mindset that actually
belittles the very feminine qualities the government says it
is trying to promote in its reasoning for the need for more
women MP's. The scene was set in the previous government, where
we were presented with a woman, Margaret Thatcher, who exhibited
virtually no feminine qualities.
But
regardless of who captained the ship, there was a need for such
a harsh regime at that time: Britain was economically defunct
and dubbed "the sick man of Europe". The problem was
that by the time that government left power, the hard work and
harsh lessons necessary to turn that situation around had been
done: and Britain was one of, if not the, leading economy in
Europe, if not the World: there was a need then for a more nurturing
government: but much to everyone's amazement from a socialist
government the current government picked up the pace of the
reforms that had turned things around to the point where all
sight of the necessity of the original harsh lessons (to eventually
bring prosperity to the people) was lost. The next generation,
those least able to have their voice heard politically, have
become totally forgotten in the malaise. Nothing: binge-drinking,
drug abuse, murder, suicide sexual deviancy will make anyone
in our society stand up and say that the policies that created
the "me, me, me" mindset that has led to this are
wrong. We simply create more laws to criminalize the next generation.
I believe that the lack of emphasis on the feminine virtues
of Understanding has led to this situation: exemplified by female
politicians who lack those virtues being role models for women
generally. In many respects Margaret Thatcher did Understand
what was needed, and she did turn the situation that were leading
to poverty around, but she seemed to spurn a whole generation
of women who misunderstood that medicine.
It is
for this reason that I believe that my grand-mother's generation
were much stronger women than those of my own. They stood by
their Knowing: they Understood that the next generation is more
important than anyone's need for self-assertion. Yes, there
was, and still is a need (perhaps even more so today) for women
to stand up for their rights, but unfortunately they have done
so in such a way that I believe has actually degraded the feminine.
In their struggle they bought into the negative masculine tendency
of knowledge as means to fulfill a greed for power, rather than
Knowing as means to fulfill the self.
Both
my grandmother's had to work: my paternal grandmother worked
in a mill, took in washing and was also a cleaner: my maternal
grandmother ran a shop selling the produce of their small-holding
as well as running that small-holding. But in both cases that
work was of necessity; to put food on the table: it wasn't for
consumer goods, which is why most women work in Britain today.
I am not going to name the family, in case they ever come here,
but I am very closely associated with one family where the mother
worked purely for those luxuries I have seen her tear herself
apart in that process. She firmly believed that being able to
give her children a PS2 was more important than being there
for her children. In the end that aspiration led the family
to financial ruin. From other events I believe that what she
was seeking was recognition, and, to me, it is a sad reflection
on our patriarchal society that bringing up the next generation
is no longer perceived as occupation worthy of recognition.
Men,
and Western patriarchal society as a whole, lost that Knowing
a long, long, time ago, but women were still the keepers of
that innate Understanding of how life is created and nurtured:
and what the purpose of Life is: to re-create. One of the starkest
pointers to the loss of women's Understanding is the number
of women I know who have bought into being a career woman, believing
that they could leave child-rearing till a later age, only to
find that they got caught up in the hum-drum and chaos of that
career: and by the time they realized that it was time to get
off that train, it was too late: they were rapidly approaching
the age when child-rearing was not an option for them: and by
the time they fully realized what they really wanted, the train
had left the station and they had missed that opportunity. As
a result, the birthrate of Celtic/Anglo-Saxon Brits and immigrants
who understand the Old Ways is declining rapidly. Instead, the
British population is being replaced by dogmatic immigrant populations
whose understanding of these ways is long lost.
The
initial fault was definitely in negative Masculine medicine,
but in a very marked way in the last couple of generations,
that fault has been compounded by women losing their own medicine
IMHO. Whilst I said at the start of this post that Britain is
likely more prone to change, it cannot be ignored that the model
of increasing GDP by creating demand for luxury consumer goods
came from the States in the post-war period. This brings me
to the Sacred Feminine. Modern American society was based on
Masonic principles, which was, in turn, loosely based on Kabbalistic
Knowledge based on a notion of balance between the masculine
and feminine. Of late, I have often wondered whether this is
the cause of our problems: in that that patriarchal institution,
which I have found pervades society at levels many would find
disturbing, claims to be the holder of the knowledge of balance?
Perhaps this is why we have lost that balance: because whilst
that institution may inform society at a very basic level as
to modes of living based around self-improvement and charity,
at a much higher level it is based on experiences of Knowledge
that are entirely negative: not based on the experience of Knowledge
as an internal thing, but on a means to direct society covertly.
I have seen this organization at work in my local council and
the many offshoot so-called voluntary organizations associations
partnering the council and had firsthand experience of how the
system works to bring about its own ends in the community organization
I am involved with.
There
can be no doubt that Masonry still informs politics in this
country, and in the US, at a very basic level, and that anyone
who does not play by its rules will find it very difficult to
succeed in any community venture in our societies. I believe
that it is this organization that has thwarted women's medicine
and brought about the state of affairs we now find ourselves
in, but that women's agreement to play by their rules has allowed
this situation to occur: and that agreement came about as result
of the women's suffrage movement changing the role of women.
I can't help feel that a blurring of the lines occurred at that
time that led to where we are today, and that in that blurring,
women agreed to disregard their own medicine in favor of the
negative masculine need for external power. In one respect,
we could see the likes of Jamie Sam's work in bringing Women's
medicine forward as a necessity to wake society up from its
slumber, because it is society as a whole which must take some
responsibility for this series of events. But at the same time,
I wonder if publishing the medicine in itself decries from it,
in that this is a medicine of oral tradition: passed on personally
so that the person receiving it can be observed to ensure understanding:
the various paths being opened only when understanding of a
previous path is observed. Reading appears to me to be a more
negative masculine occupation: it is consumption of knowledge
rather than experiencing Knowledge. But I do accept, and have
witnessed, reading something and it not making a blind bit of
sense, only to read it later, after having had new experiences,
and finding that what is written makes perfect sense and I can
then own it. So I can the argument both ways on that one.
I can
see that in the longer-term grand scale of things, this may
be all in Creator's plan, if only to show how things should
not be done. But I cannot help feel that Creator would not deliberately
leave a whole generation, or series of generations, without
the necessary nurturing and the experience of Understanding,
just to prove a point, unless the failure of those societies
was part of the plan. But that then leaves me with a feeling
that Darwin was right and there is no causal nature to our Universe,
and somehow I can't accept that!
CinnamonMoon:
Hey
there Wolfie! *Smiles* It seems you're right, our way of expressing
is different but we're definitely running some parallels here.
I do agree that the patriarchal aspect of religion and the matriarchal
aspect of spirituality divided to create the challenges before
us today as they try to come back into union. It was necessary
to see the need for balanced respect and partnership that were
called for. It's happening in a chaotic way, yes, you're right,
it is the precursor for all change. The old uproots and the
new sinks roots vying for the same ground. We were out of balance
with a matriarchal society and later with the patriarchal ways
both
extremes that had to come together to find the balance. It is
out of balance now but striving in its current adolescence to
learn to restore that harmony together. The pendulum will eventually
center itself and stop swinging so wildly. Watch it happen and
contribute where you can, that's all any of us can do.
I can't
address living in Britain as I've never been there (at least
in this lifetime), but here in the US there is a lot of diversity
and a wide range of perspectives depending on what part of the
country you live in. The South for instance still clings to
the old prejudices where the North is more embracing. We have
our own challenges for that very reason. The East is set in
old traditions and the West is creating new ones so there's
conflict there too. In the heartland (the mid-section of the
country) you have a mix of it all. Interesting, eh? I agree,
the changes in civil rights et al were initiated with good intention
but extremes came into play and things got out of control there
to the detriment of society in many ways. That's seeking balance
too and change will continue until that balance is found
too
slowly for some of us. Being politically correct has created
its own complications now and with that a loss of humor and
respect for the variances in cultural diversity was lost. It's
almost as bad as what existed before with the prejudices
one
extreme to another striving to find that center ground. Both
Britain and the US seem to be running into that and it's happening
globally too. The challenge before us now is finding and contributing
to the harmony and taming the extremes.
Yes the
feminine is a receptive force and the masculine is an assertive
one
but
we all (male or female) have both within us
and we need to learn to balance that. Once we do we can bring
it out into the world and act in union with the two thus in
union with all. Therein lies the trinity we strive for but forget
to see as the goal. The struggle between the two blinds us.
It does take both to create the central whole. The nurture portion
you see missing will return when the balance is found. Nurturing
is a need too and that need will demand satisfaction. It's chaotic
now but it will return to being a need when the time is right.
Society is still adjusting and disrespect underlies the courtesy
it's expected to demonstrate. Laws/rules are to be followed
but there is nothing that says one has to agree with them deep
inside. That agreement can only come when the chaos involved
outshines itself with primal reactions and the need is seen
to bring them under control
within each of us first and
according to our own rate of learning. The same materialistic
wants and feeding frenzy you're experiencing is present here
too. And now the economy is suffering for the over extensions
of that. A small yet intrusive example is the housing industry
here, construction has come to a major halt as people are over-extended
and reverse mortgages offering fast money or equity loans doing
the same have people over extended and in foreclosures. The
economy can't sustain the debt people are encouraged to put
themselves in by capitalistic advertising showing the indulgences
as the norm. Practicality went out the window. For the past
8 years my husband and I have been living cash only and it's
great. We're not incurring more debt that way, paying as we
go or going without is the norm for us but it was a choice we
had to make. More and more people are coming to see that's necessary
and making that choice but not until they've come to some very
hard lessons. The homeless rate is growing because of this.
Demand for instant gratification is polluting minds. That too
has to balance out with the reality of things and the shattering
of the illusions of 'must have' as opposed to 'need'. There
has been confusion between the two for a long time.
Technology
itself is exploding and because life depends on it we're forced
to keep up-or try to. The latest and greatest has the preference
with this generation and in that the nurturing is in the getting
of 'things' rather than the intangibles that are vitally important.
Attention is drawn away from family structure. Children's rights
outweigh the rights of the parents to parent. It's a mess, but
that's coming to the attention of society too in the explosive
corruption of values that resulted and the blatant disrespect
not only for people's property but life itself. Gangs are an
outcropping of that (always have been here) and the problem
is growing to a point where it's demanding that nurturing come
back into play so the years can unfold in a healthier way as
the 'new authority' comes into play in a more balanced way.
Children need to respect adults and adults need to respect children.
That was lost and will be found again. Random killing of youth
vs youth isn't a weekly thing here, it's hourly if not more.
The death toll in this country is over the top and home invasions
are the norm on a daily basis. It's way over the top. When I
was young I lived in the heart of the city, a good middle class
neighborhood, life was simple and clean. Today you won't catch
me even driving through that part of town, I avoid it at all
costs as it's a war zone as my daughter calls it. Too dangerous.
They shoot for no reason other than enjoyment and killing someone
is like tossing a rock into a pond the reason is to initiate
into gangs and they'll take down a toddler or an adult it doesn't
matter, just take a life, feel the power of that and warp your
mind some more.
However
countering
that is the new generation coming into the fold. Parents that
have found their way back to spirituality and a good path for
themselves are teaching it to their children and there is a
counter culture on the rise as a result. Children such as the
Indigo or Crystal Child are on the rise and they will counter
this revolutionary group that is warring with life. They destroy
and the other builds. The balance will come about naturally
as a result. Not soon enough for me, but then I'm not in charge,
the universe is though and it's not nice to mess with Mother
Nature, I'd rather walk on her side. They'll find out. They
are not finding satisfaction in what they're doing with all
that violence, only a moment's gratification and the consequences
hard learned. Live by the gun die by the gun. Not a very nice
way to go through life. But the spiritual rebirth is spreading
fast too, and with that the reform of the Church (whatever religion
you may want to look at but certainly evident in Christianity)
is taking place too
religion and spirituality are merging
and here we see it in the Unitarian Church where all faiths
come together to share and worship. It's happening, a quiet
movement in a way because it takes the individual to embrace
it for themselves first but in those growing numbers the attention
on religious reform is showing a new face.
Religion,
politics, family structure
it's all evolving. And we're
evolving with it. You're focused here on the extremes and the
chaos but if you step outside the chaos and rise above it to
get a bigger picture all those issues are the areas where change
is taking place and will balance out. Of necessity, of the natural
order and need for the social ills to be healed will come forefront.
It's being recognize now and the awareness will lead us to that
action. The feminine and masculine virtues will come together
and they will produce a new child
a sacred child and that
sacredness will
demand nurturing by all of us. The old inconsistent initiations
are dying and the new balance is coming forward this is what
the Change is all about. Seeing it from a bigger picture that's
what the wars reflect
the taming of the chaos. It isn't
done with only aggression or only nurturing either, it's done
with a balance of the two. The question isn't what society or
government are going to do about this, that's an offshoot of
what WE as individuals are going to choose to do about it first.
We make the choice and we make the society and the government.
So
it comes back to how we balance the masculine and feminine
within ourselves and what we will choose to do with that. How
are we as individuals going to find that balance? Native teaching
helps us see we are indeed responsible for the next Seven Generations
what
we leave behind will take 7 generations to show results and
be dealt with so we're dealing today with what our forefathers
and foremothers left us to handle. What will we leave our offspring?
Awareness of ecological dangers is present and this generation
is far more focused and intelligent about correcting those conditions
than mine ever was. We didn't even think along those lines when
I was a child. Today that's far different. Instead of looking
at what's wrong and beyond our control to fix, we need to come
back to basics and see what's wrong with us individually and
fix that. It all starts with us. If we act responsibly and the
next person does and so on then the world starts to change naturally
and that's the only way this is going to happen. But we need
to focus on the positive in us to do that. We attract what we
project and if we project fear, worry, anger, resentments, disgust
or any other negative focus we're going to make that priority.
Why not turn it to more positive outlooks and start to nurture,
love, give, and share? Leading by example is a powerful way
to empower others and be a positive role model.
As for
the negative image of the feminine in the roles of women today,
that's due to them learning the hard way how to balance the
masculine energy. Males didn't offer any help there, they resisted
instead. Women will find their hearts and bring forth the nurturing
again, trust in that it's in their nature. They're role playing
at the moment, but they'll get the hang of it. They've been
without power in an assertive manner for a long time, it's going
to take a while and some practice to wield that sword again.
It will happen and they'll master their skills, they'll remember
the balance and seek it. Women still hold the Understanding,
it's their nature to do so. They just need to remember to use
it and that is happening. I'm seeing families that teach spirituality,
not religion but the inner truths to their children so they
are Awake and Aware and utilizing it. Those children are wise
beyond their years and they are going to be the difference makers
in a few years. I've seen this happening for the past 3 decades
or more. It is changing, Wolfie, and if it is changing here
it's changing globally too. Progress is slow but it's taking
off. Back in the 70's you didn't dare mention a spiritual path
without ridicule or disgust being ignited. Today it's a normal
course of life and we hear about those principles in all walks
of life. Religion fell out of favor socially in our laws and
the children of today are trying to reclaim it because they
are in touch with their spiritual side and walk with it
they
are being raised to walk their talk and that will assist the
Change when the time comes too. Everyone talks about 2012
the
time when upheaval will hit
but is it bad? Only if we ignore
things and most of us are not ignoring, can't ignore what's
happened, most of us are wanting to serve the greater good.
The balance will be found but only when we choose to find it.
Again, it comes down to the individual choosing to walk in a
spiritual way or with their greedy egos. This isn't about the
differences between the masculine and feminine it's about the
union they form and what they produce by choice as a result.
It's about parenting in the New World Order and doing that cooperatively
rather than defined by a role of gender. Men can be nurturers
too, and women can be assertive too. Both have that in them,
one more dominantly than the other but both have it and if they
find the balance within themselves then they find the healing
they seek too.
When we
lose something (our Medicine or nature) we have to go looking
for it to find it again and that's what is happening even amid
the chaos. To quell the primal we must raise our awareness and
the old saying: "If you can't find it within yourself you
will not find it in the world" is true. Women playing by
the masculine rules is a necessity to position themselves but
once in position and power brought into balance their Medicine
will return and it will nurture and it will heal. Of course
there was a blurring of the lines between the two sides, if
there wasn't those lines couldn't be crossed. The patriarchal
would have gone to war and been skilled in conquering invaders,
women being the invaders and unprepared for that type of battle
had to infiltrate to make this happen
quietly and with
distraction. Their voices will rise and when they do they will
speak with authority born of the Understanding and held in conviction
of what is right, not the ego but the spiritual leading the
way. Mother Earth called her daughters home in great numbers,
still is, and those daughters have been made ready to serve
the Change. Watch as the years unfold, you'll see it if you
know to look for it.
Publishing
works on Women's Medicine was called for, it was part of the
calling of the daughters, it got attention. It made the women
stir and seek and trust me they are seeking the oral tradition
again too. Books open doors, people bring us to experiences
and help us sort our way through them. The old ways have not
been forgotten, the oral tradition still exists just differently
from the smaller tribal setting it is evolving too. Seminars,
retreats, workshops, countless ways to serve the greater masses
are common today. Back when I was young you got those books
in plain brown paper wrappers so no one would know. There were
a very limited few back then. Today they fill rows in the bookstores.
They open doors, hand out keys and start the seeking. But that
seeking eventually leads one to the teachers they're to walk
with and right back to the oral tradition. Books are appetizers,
the meal resides with the Elders who know how to prepare it
and put on a feast of nurturing food. That part has not changed.
It will right itself.
"I
can see that in the longer-term grand scale of things, this
may be all in Creator's plan, if only to show how things should
not be done. But I cannot help feel that Creator would not deliberately
leave a whole generation, or series of generations, without
the necessary nurturing and the experience of Understanding,
just to prove a point, unless the failure of those societies
was part of the plan. But that then leaves me with a feeling
that Darwin was right and there is no causal nature to our Universe,
and somehow I can't accept that!"
*Soft Smile*
It is indeed part of Spirit 'and' Mother's plan, they work together
in union. Contrary Medicine is part of life too. You can't have
positive without negative, but when in balance they create harmony.
Sometimes we have to learn the hard way and what not to do becomes
evident so that we do what is right. That's what's happening
here. The healing will come, it's in process now, but total
healing comes from mind, body and spirit and we're simply just
now starting to understand that in society. Alternative medicine
and cross-cultural techniques are merging to create a new Medicine
that does indeed combine all three. It's taking time but it
is happening. In fact, a few years ago I was asked to address
a graduating medical school class on just that subject. I was
honored and thrilled to see it being embraced. I highly doubt
that invitation has only been extended to me, and would venture
to say it was a feather only, with many feathers making up that
wing so that others can fly a little higher to raise their awareness.
Coyote is active in the world, Wolfie, we have a whole host
of different Medicines at play here and each with a united purpose.
The Change is happening whether we like it or not, whether we
join in support or not, the Wheel is in motion.
Wynsong,
Please do not see the discourse between Wolfie and I here as
a hijacking or sidetracking of your thread and the intent you
are bringing forward. It is merely a reflection of the sorting
issues that living a healed and healthy masculine entail. You
sharing your journey to that from a woman's perspective is of
great value in demonstrating how that Change can be achieved
and I really hope you will continue to carry on with the topic
as I am enjoying walking with you through it as others are too.
It's something we're all going through and a gift to this community
contributing to our understanding of the process. It will vary
for each of us according to our needs but you are certainly
presenting us with the pattern it follows and I am personally
grateful to you for that gift.
Wynsong:
As I said at the outset
of my posting...I journey in my journal...this isn't about me,
even though I am writing my own stories...so you can't hijack
this by adding to it...it will just journey in the direction
it needs to go in.
I've been away this weekend, basketball
with my youngest, and now Mom is here with me as I get ready
to do the chemo journey...so I'll be on a bit less...but will
come to this as I can... I haven't had a chance to read and
digest what you two have been discussing...so my silence, is
a function of my life, not a function of my attachment to what
is going on here.... I did notice the word BALANCE several times...
And that is my personal goal...to find balance...between the
masculine and feminine energy within me... (and there is a hope
that the stories I've been taught are truth, that as within,
so without...so that if I can find my balance between the masculine
and feminine energy within me and live it...that, that balance
will become visible in the world around me...and be lived...)
I do love the representation of the Yin Yang symbol as it depicts
the beauty of the balance...and for those unfamiliar with it,
it isn't a disc, it is a sphere...so that as you reach maximum
Yin, then Yang appears (and vice versa)...not just in 2 dimensions,
but also as you travel the energy horizontally. Within that
symbol there is always a balancing...like Tai Chi, which done
properly always has the practitioner fully centered and thus
fully able to move in any direction. I'll come back and read
the longer posts fully as I have time. Please carry on...the
point of the thread from my stand point, is to explore the maps
we are living of what it is to live masculine energy....what
it is to live feminine energy...and how we can create a map
for living them in harmony within and without... Munay ki
RavenFireStoneWolf:
Cinn,I
still don't think we are that far apart. I see much of what
you discuss as being truth, particularly why the veil had to
thin and lines had to blur. But I come back to my basic point,
and where I see we are storing up problems for the future and
why I believe that what is happening today, far from creating
a better future, is actually making things worse:
Native
teaching helps us see we are indeed responsible for the next
Seven Generations
what we leave behind will take 7 generations
to show results and be dealt with.
If,
as societies, we are so busy "changing the world"
we are leaving the next generation to their own devices, whatever
we achieve in our generation will be undone in future generations.
There will always be exceptions to the rule: not all of Britain's
youth are feral, but if I look in my own area, an affluent,
church-going conservative area, I see that feral element even
here. My generation, 60's children, were supposed to be the
start of the change you speak of, but as I said, things are
actually getting worse, not better, in my generation. The Mother
will always find her own balance regardless of what we human's
may perceive: she was here long before us, continuing her processes,
and will be here long after we are gone. Indeed from what I
have been shown, that is how balance will be restored, not by
human effort. What has happened in China in the last week, will,
by necessity, make China more inward looking. China's economy
was teetering on the brink of collapse before this quake: all
the economic indicators are showing that China is heading for
recession borne of inflation (which is higher in China than
any western state's) as a result of its own internal markets,
and something like this quake could well be the straw that breaks
that camel's back; it will certainly damage it.
Five
million homeless cannot be ignored by the regime. China and
India have been keeping world stock markets buoyant in recent
years: if they start to fail, that will put a whole new perspective
on things. Perhaps then the Indigo children will have opportunity,
but unless we do have that kinda change, I can't see things
really changing. Yes, I can see that attitudes towards the Spiritual
path have changed: they have changed remarkably in my lifetime,
and in recent years in particular. But by the same token by
far the biggest growth in spiritual/religious circles in Britain
today is that in fundamentalist Christianity: it's growth is
far outstripping the growth of spiritual paths and that, allied
with Muslim fundamentalism, is a path towards even greater negative
masculine.
I firmly
believe in notions of the macrocosm and the microcosm. In this
respect, if it is Coyote who is leading this dance of extremes
in the wider world, then it would also be Coyote who is leading
that dance within. Personally, I don't see Coyote, I see Lion,
and many of my lessons in recent years have been about Leadership,
whether that be political, spiritual or in my everyday mundane
life: whether they have played out within, in my community or
in the wider world. I can't remember now whether our community
group started whilst I was last here or after. As chairman of
that group, one thing I learnt from that situation is that such
well-meaning endeavors can have a very negative outcome, and
I began to realize that what we were creating was beginning
to take on a life of its own: a life that was susceptible to
the negative imprints of others in the group whose motives were
not as pure as my own. I saw that my vision for the group was
the cause of that, precisely because it was an internal vision
I was trying to create externally out-with myself: a healing
I needed to undergo that I was projecting out into my community.
Rather than heal that wound, I was projecting it. I see the
exact same thing happening with our government. Perhaps because
it is a lesson I am learning, I see it being mirrored back to
me in many situations out in the world of form.
In
many respects this whole topic is about Lion Medicine, because
it strikes me that to heal the masculine requires that we accept
that Leadership is not an external thing to be undertaken, but
an internal thing to be resolved. Righting and Mastery of Lion
Medicine seems to require that we accept that we cannot change
things outside ourself: and I feel that this is where, as societies,
and as individuals, we have gone wrong: we have come to believe
that we can. History is littered with figures who held such
beliefs, as is our current era, and many of the extremes, such
as the Masons and organized religions, do so, as they always
have, on the basis of spiritual beliefs. Perhaps this is where
Coyote comes in. Masculine medicine is described as an active
force, and it is often said that the masculine needs a medium
outside itself to experience and learn compared with feminine
notions of going within to find that experience. One of the
things I have become very aware of late, is a notion of "holding
back". I think the reasons we have, as societies, lost
our sense of balance is that the masculine has, once it experienced,
gone further and has tried to influence spheres outside itself
and change those spheres instead of taking that information
back in to change itself.
In many
respects I see the British Queen as a fantastic role model of
positive masculine energy. She goes out into the world and experiences
it, but never offers an opinion: she never tries to persuade,
change or lead opinion. She Knows what her purpose is and how
to play that role, even if, in increasing numbers, those who
look upon her do not. Few of us could say that about ourselves.
Much criticism has been levelled at her, particularly with respect
to her ability to nurture her own children, but I think that
she Understood what would be required of them, particularly
with respect to standing in balance and remaining aloof from
the trickeries of personal emotions and the mass consciousness
of the same that seems to grow ever more hungry for instant
external gratification and a world changed to enable the same.
By our standards they may have received a strict, even severe,
upbringing, in comparison to the times, but it strikes me that
part of their role is to stick to the truth, and not be swayed
by the popular opinion that seeks to change the world to one
they feel more comfortable in, rather than chase the demons
that create that need for change.
But
for the masculine to have gone so far out of balance, requires
the same to be true of the feminine, because the feminine brings
the Understanding. So perhaps my initial theory that the masculine
lack of balance informed the feminine was wrong: at least initially
and that it was a lack of Understanding that has created the
tendencies towards masculine imbalances in our modern era.
CinnamonMoon:
Hi
Wolfie, I guess it's all in how you look at it. We tend to see
the worst in the negative impact of the immediate present but
destructive forces frequently precede the positive changes.
It just all has to run its course. Society can't change until
'we' change as people and that begins with each of us individually.
We can observe what's happening and feel disheartened or vent
about it all we want but that doesn't change things, people
do and that's one person at a time so it will take time to unfold.
Society is changing the world and group after group is focused
on that, as are the governments, they are going to function
as they will and there's little we can do about it unless we're
in a position to be involved with a group ourselves. So our
responsibility, IMHO, is to change ourselves for the better,
contribute wherever we can, and gradually that becomes a movement
in itself-which is happening at the same time as everything
else. Change is chaotic and the global changes we're seeing,
the disruptive and constructive forces at play, have been changing
for decades already, amid that there's some assimilation going
on and there's improvement taking place too. When the spirit
is active and the heart is open we can bring miracles forward.
I prefer to work in that direction and hold to that perspective.
I can't stop the negative on my own, but I can make a positive
difference if I stay focused on doing so. Choices there that
we all need to make, again, IMHO. If we're walking with Spirit
and Mother Earth we're walking a good path and the more traveled
that becomes the closer to center we get
closer to harmony
and balance being restored.
"If,
as societies, we are so busy "changing the world"
we are leaving the next generation to their own devices, whatever
we achieve in our generation will be undone in future generations."
What if
it becomes a model for future generations to follow instead?
"There
will always be exceptions to the rule: not all of Britain's
youth are feral, but if I look in my own area, an affluent,
church-going conservative area, I see that feral element even
here. My generation, 60's children, were supposed to be the
start of the change you speak of, but as I said, things are
actually getting worse, not better, in my generation."
One could
take that perspective here too, however I see it as the chaos
at play to usher in the changes. People don't change until they
see the need to and that need is becoming very prevalent if
you ask me. The universe itself can be seen as a beautiful thing
or a violent place
how you move through it or what perspective
you hold makes all the difference. Again IMHO. We won't see
change happening if we're not looking for it or focused in that
direction, all we'll see is what's wrong. I'm of a firm belief
that if I can't do something directly I can pray on it and place
the matter in Spirit and Mother's hands to move someone to tend
it (or masses to tend it). All I'm capable of is what is in
my own environment to do and focusing on that is my contribution.
Globally if each of us does that things do change contributing
to the greater whole. So I leave the politics to the politicians,
contribute with my vote, and move on. I do the same with other
social issues. I can't fix the world, I can fix myself, and
I can touch a life here and there and if I do that each day
of my life then I see that as a good thing. I can set an example
for others to follow but that's up to them to decide if they
want to (my Cougar Medicine is strong on that issue). If they
don't want to then they have every right to walk the path they're
taking and I can't stop them nor do I have the right to try.
I might warn if I know it holds dangers for them but that's
all I can do. Some might call that passive, I call it realistic
and it allows me to be more functional. I can bat social ills
or social benefits around all day and accomplish nothing. My
words won't change the world like that. My actions will though
and large or small I see that as my responsibility
how
we respond, how we perceive does make a difference.
Asking
ourselves how we balance our feminine and masculine natures,
as individuals, is what starts this state of balance flowing.
In the rise in spirituality, not religion, in this country there
has been a massive movement spanning decades to serve in a positive
capacity by countless individuals. From what you describe that's
just really getting started in Britain where it's been established
here for some time. Oh we have the fundamentalists too, but
the government here has silenced them to an extreme where the
word God is not to be mentioned in schools where prayer once
was the start of the day. That has spilled into other places
too now and religion is a topic that has gone more private than
public in many ways. It may not happen that way in Britain,
some parts of the world are going to serve differently than
others. The Middle East is a prime example of that and the upheaval
locations all indicate where change is trying to break through.
War torn areas of the globe, catastrophic elements of nature
hitting different countries
change is happening, it's just
not all pretty at first. And in all that, it still comes down
to what an individual is moved to do about it. How far will
they go? How deeply involved will they get? What action will
they take? If we consider the next 7 generations and what we
are leaving behind to them, well I think we start to think differently,
act differently, and hold that in our hearts.
Again
each
individual has to make those choices for themselves and choosing
to turn their back or do nothing is a choice too. The larger
picture changes with each stitch in the tapestry taken, and
each stitch is taken by us. I don't know that Coyote is leading
this dance, but certainly it's clear that there is Coyote Medicine
at play. The creature-teachers are all involved, they always
have been, it's up to us to see who is dancing around us and
work with that perspective. If Lion speaks to you about conditions
then that's the Medicine you need to be working with. I think
if you step back you'll see many of the creature-teachers partaking
in this dance. Each doing their part as we're to do for good
or bad. Both the positive and negative have to be involved to
bring the changes through. If not everything stays the same.
Leadership comes in many guises, Wolfie, some strong, some gentle,
some contrary too. I believe that a good leader is one that
empowers others, who helps them find their strengths and courage
to grow and act in ways where they too can lead. I do not believe
that we can change others or that we're supposed to carry their
load for them if they can do so themselves. If someone can't
then it's another story and we're to assist them as we're moved
to do. Perhaps in the things I'm sharing about my personal perspectives
you can see where the feminine nurturing comes into play. I
hope so. There are other ways other than being aggressive, assertive
is different, to demonstrate the masculine side of my nature
too and I strive to do both as I stumble at times and take great
strides at others. I've fallen into the mud before and I will
again but I clean up pretty decently. LOL You're chairman of
your community group and you're trying to make a difference
in that position. To lead means you're going to have to adjust
when the well-meaning attempts fail and changes will be called
for to fix that. You're trying and that's what matters. You'll
touch others in your role and you'll make a difference, perhaps
not all involved but some and they'll touch others too. Setting
good intent into motion is going to insure that. Yes, groups
do take on a life of their own. In a group the group mind starts
to think for itself and the individual agenda doesn't always
fit that perception. If it's leaning toward negative creations
then one can strive to bring that to the group's attention and
if that's not possible perhaps join a different group more in
line with the perceptions. Again, choices. These things happen
on large and small scales. It always begins with us though
always.
And it goes out from there.
"Perhaps
because it is a lesson I am learning, I see it being mirrored
back to me in many situations out in the world of form. In many
respects this whole topic is about Lion Medicine, because it
strikes me that to heal the masculine requires that we accept
that Leadership is not an external thing to be undertaken, but
an internal thing to be resolved. Righting and Mastery of Lion
Medicine seems to require that we accept that we cannot change
things outside ourself: and I feel that this is where, as societies,
and as individuals, we have gone wrong: we have come to believe
that we can. History is littered with figures who held such
beliefs, as is our current era, and many of the extremes, such
as the Masons and organised religions, do so, as they always
have, on the basis of spiritual beliefs. Perhaps this is where
Coyote comes in."
Possibly
for you it is. Your perceptions are there for you to journey
with, Wolfie, as are the perceptions of each of us. What stands
out to one person as 'the way' may not be the same for another
and thus we are back to Canku Ota/Many Paths that are walked.
Upon those paths, depending on the environments one journeys
through, we will find our influencing factors, teachers, enlightenments
and challenges. The creature-teachers roam them all with us.
*S* "Masculine medicine is described as an active force,
and it is often said that the masculine needs a medium outside
itself to experience and learn compared with feminine notions
of going within to find that experience."
Yes.
"One
of the things I have become very aware of late, is a notion
of "holding back". I think the reasons we have, as
societies, lost our sense of balance is that the masculine has,
once it experienced, gone further and has tried to influence
spheres outside itself and change those spheres instead of taking
that information back in to change itself."
To a large
extent yes. The patriarchal society we live in promotes a lot
of that. Just as a matriarchal society would promote the feminine
ways. I think what you'll find if you focus on the union of
the two (which is a huge part of the Change/evolution of live)
that you will see that these have been experienced this way
to see that the best of both is called for in union, from the
heart with love, and from the head with intent, to bring the
Changes for the better through to serve the greater whole. I
believe that's what we're witnessing but we're not seeing the
union fulfilled yet, it's in process though and I believe we
need to trust that process and support it with our convictions
born of our spiritual understandings. It takes the spiritual
and physical to come together to do that.
"But
for the masculine to have gone so far out of balance, requires
the same to be true of the feminine, because the feminine brings
the Understanding. So perhaps my initial theory that the masculine
lack of balance informed the feminine was wrong: at least initially
and that it was a lack of Understanding that has created the
tendencies towards masculine imbalances in our modern era."
*Soft smile*
Perhaps. Perhaps it's a bit of both and more. The question is...how
do we, as individuals, change ourselves to be more productive
and contributory though? How do we, as you see the Queen doing,
bring that balance into play in our own lives and thus make the
greater
whole a
little better? That's what balancing the two calls for and that's
what we're asking here...to share how that's accomplished. In
my eyes that comes first with recognizing the need (be that
shown to us in a small or grand scale) and then making the choice
to change inside and act on that externally...we feel that in
our heart and spirit and we move forward.
Wynsong:
So I'm almost back...round
1 of chemo is slowly becoming a story...one I'm telling this
time on the physical, as I live all of its interesting paths
at that level, this time. 8 rounds...infinity....8 chakras (in
my tradition), so possibly 8 experiences (one at each level)...I'll
let that unfold as it may. BUT... the stories that are being
created by me, for me are interesting akin to the Soul Retrieval
of several years ago.
And in this direction...I was given
a Soul Retrieval
in which the original wound was...a small
girl looking shaman like out of the corner of her eyes...to
the left...watching a black cloaked Father Christmas type figure
moving in and out of the space towards her (surging forward
so he could be seen...and then retreating)...The Father Christmas
figure would surge forward against a vortex, that was trying
to suck him out of the energetic field, and then start to fade
as it caught him...., but in the first description of the wound,
the vortex wasn't seen...and so... in being told about this
wound...I and all the shaman around me...saw the black clad
Father Christmas figure as the 'bad' guy...and the girl as the
innocent victim....
(when I asked questions of them,
from that perspective, I got no answers....little wonder)
Ahh the Victim, Perpetrator, Caregiver/Rescuer
triangle....I've lived there so long...
And it wasn't until the end of that
week, when we were doing some more work on the journey to rewrite
the contracts of that soul Retrieval, that I became sorrowful
as I watched the Father Christmas figure being sucked out...and
the girl never moving, just watching...and maybe feeling glad
to see it happening....
So the surgeries occurred on my right
side (all surgeries I've ever had have been on the right of
center) ...both of them( the two current ones related directly
to the cancer) ...removal of the right breast...then going into
the axilla area (armpit) to remove all the lymph glands (which
turned out to be unnecessary, because there was no more cancer
found, but needed to be done to make sure of that)....AND the
highest most common metastatic secondary site for this cancer
is the liver (an organ on the right side) .... AND this cancer
is also highly likely to mirror to the left breast, but despite
the right breast being chock full of cancer....no signs of it
on the left at all....(interesting) SO... there is some physical
evidence that (and this is an 'as usual') the injuries are being
sustained by my right...masculine side...and the left remains
mostly un-effected... AND
to do the treatment, I volunteered
to have a PICC (Peripheral Catheter) placed into my arm for
the chemo treatments (to preserve my veins)....and so I have
a tube that runs from my upper left arm to the top of my heart
(the right side of my heart)..Interesting. AND when they went
to put it in...a relatively common procedure that the nurse
was actually doing...no matter how large the vein in my left
arm was...and how accessible, the minute she touched it with
the needle...it disappeared...After two tries, she called the
radiologist ( a lovely man) and he also had some trouble, so
he actually had to knock the vein out with anesthetic to make
it stay still to be 'invaded' (one could also say 'involved'),
so the health of my body can be maintained through my left side.
The feminine side, had to be subdued to participate in this
particular healing. AND now I'm getting needles for 8 days to
keep my immune system at a functioning level...and the nurses
would like to alternate arms...BUT I've been told not to ever
let anyone use my right arm for anything ever again (masculine
being told to take a rest from being the primary doer?), due
to the compromised lymph flow.... SO my left arm has taken all
but one needle (one I had to self-administer due to a complete
SNAFU around orders...which I (interestingly enough) administered
to my right abdomen (being right handed and all) - that one
stung the longest)....and despite taking 6 of 7 needles in my
left shoulder, there have been no problems (well beyond the
expected headaches and bone pain)...no problems with my left
side helping out this time. I know for many this all may seem
random...and that is fine... It isn't your story...but mine...
The part (or grace...the piece that went into shadow at the
wounding) that was retrieved for me in that Soul Journey was
a mitochondria...a two cell walled organelle that is the power
house of ever cell in our body.... (a beautyfull example of
masculine (outer) and feminine (inner) working harmoniously
together to produce all the energy of life within each cell,
and therefore within me as a whole)
That grace piece, of what I lost
when the original wound happened...is definitely a piece I need
to hold on to, as I walk this journey...as the chemo takes all
the energy that I use to be me, and it goes I don't know where
for 5 days... As I enter this next part of the journey on Friday...I
will work with the grace piece consciously and allow it to do
the energy parts of the journey...for it is apparent, that I'm
not even here to try to do it, for the first 5 days post treatment.
It gives a new definition to the term Zombie, for me. And as
whatever energy that makes me, uniquely me, is away....I will
ask it, to please return to me with stories of where it journeyed,
while I felt asleep. This all came back to me, as I spoke to
a friend who is negotiating the native land issues in this area...I
opened my mesa, and lifted one stone...a marble egg. And as
I gazed at the universe within it, the phone rang, and it was
her...and our talk went to the wounded masculine, and the wounded
feminine as it plays out in the negotiations in which she is
trying to create transformation in.... She is working with transforming
old stories and wounds into new maps between those who will
come to the table...victims, rescuers, perpetrators all... And
I am doing the same journey, within myself. It was wonderful
for us to weave our stories together... To find that it is just
one story, told from many perspectives...some masculine...some
feminine...some
victim, some persecutor, some caregiver...all
one, in the end. Like the egg...A universe, contained, with
the potential for growth, or decay, and/or both in harmony,
....in life. . Munay ki
CinnamonMoon:
Wynsong,
that's a beautiful journey and filled with challenge for you
but what I'm seeing is the co-operation that is emerging within
and without. Your sharing is teaching others to see from the
perspective of unity within the whole and I think the example
of your journey and challenge along with your friend's journey
into challenge demonstrates the whole. Thank you.
Wynsong:
You are well come Cinnamon.
I am glad that the telling of it wasn't so personal, that it
had no meaning outside of me.
CinnamonMoon:
Oh it
holds meaning and relevance for us all. As you learn and share
we learn and can share. It's through our experiences we gain
our in-sight and wisdom as we work through them so personal
stories are our Medicine Stories and in that sharing the Medicine
comes forward. You're not only sharing your discoveries but
how you work with or weave your Medicine teaching others a method
of working with their own. It's multi-faceted that way.
Sage Napala:
I
couldn't have said it better Cinnamon Moon, it is in the sharing
and caring we move forward.
Wynsong:
Then I will say, You're
well come to this journey's tale too SageNapala.
SwanFeather:
all
surgeries I've ever had have been on the right of center
This is your journey
and I do not want to detract or muddle the flow of that, Wynsong.
I honor and celebrate this season's peculiar journey for you.
I am adding here, as an aside, that with this statement a bell
rang loudly through me and my journey has taken its own leap
forward. Thank you.
Wynsong:
I'm glad to hear that SwanFeather,
but I'm pretty sure this is not just my journey, I'm just the
only one that is writing a story at the moment, in this thread.
As you know..I journey most often in my own journal, so you
cannot muddy the waters here, by swimming with me. Two swans
swimming in the same pond may muddy the water a bit more, but
they are always so lovely to watch as they do it. And who knows
what would ripples we would create, which shores they would
touch if we swam together. I truly invite anyone to tell their
own story here....it was never supposed to be about me...and
my journey alone... Munay Ki
SwanFeather:
Ah, well then.
So. We Swans (at least these two) seem to both need some masculine
healing. With the exception of my hysterectomy, my surgeries
have all been on my right side, (appendectomy, two partial thyroidectomies
and a ganglionectomy on my right wrist) as well as my migraines.
Oh, wait! I lie. Directly after I left my marital home I fractured
my left ankle in two places and had surgery. That was the week
I also let go (physically and spiritually) of my ex-husband.
Long story there and this isn't the place, but I think this
was the exception that kind of proves the rule. Hmmm.
Sage Napala:
I
have spent over 90 minutes reading and re reading this long
missive. It has moved me and my guide greatly and I have so
much to say but no words to express the thoughts now....WynSong....I
am so moved to great emotion with your story, tears to smiles...you
will be well...you walk a hard road but you know the path and
see with such clarity. I will go to the wood and pray for you
in the ways I was taught by my great gran and my gran....matriarchal
yes....I would wait to respond I think to the feminine/masculine
issues....I would send for you a healing energy if you wish
it...I am drawn to offer, Sahyeesha nods, and the dark one has
her arm....it is what I do, who I am.....if you would wish it....Sage
Wynsong:
Sage, I am honored by your
offer of healing energy. There is some part of this journey
that calls me forward, so I have resisted directly interfering
with the path of the actual cancer... on some level, I am called
to walk this and so I am... (there is story too, around how
it was found...and why it is where it is....and those stories
may be very generational....I am driving those who know me well,
walk with me often and can move mountains in the area of physical
healing quite mad, as I continue to walk the path I'm being
called to, rather than the one they wish for me- asking them
instead to energize a future time line for me, that has me dancing
years from now, in a grey dress on the arms of one I believe
to be my grandson, at the wedding of another grandchild. I am
healthy, strong, upright and loving life in that vision.....and
it came to me with the diagnosis of the cancer) ....healing
energy that brings me clarity to see my path would be well come.
Healing energy that helps me stay connected to life's source
would also be well come. And of course watch me dance at that
wedding...for that will energize that time line...and make it
more probable. Swansister...I was rereading The Celestine Prophecy
this morning...and it spoke of receiving the universal energy....and
it came to me, that my belief that my masculine needs healing,
may make it harder for me to stay connected fully to that universal
energy (which is both masculine and feminine)....I will be out
at the cancer center today, with a social worker....and I will
examine that old map of wounding as I travel this day, and I
will be asking questions to see how all these pieces fit together
to move me along my personal path...
A new journey statement is forming
for me... One that includes living in harmony within and without
fully connected to Life's Source.
Sage Napala:
....healing
energy that brings me clarity to see my path would be well come.
Healing energy that helps me stay connected to life's source
would also be well come. And of course watch me dance at that
wedding...for that will energize that time line...and make it
more probable. Then this is what I will send for you WynSong...on
the breezes from my hollow which holds the vortexes of Mother...this
energy I will send to you. Sage
Wynsong:
Thank you SageNapala, I
am sorry I did not respond sooner...my computer and the internet
parted company some 3+ weeks ago, and I have been utterly offline
since then...plus within that time frame I spent 2 lovely weeks
at the cottage and lake and under the trees of my heart...healing
and journeying. It was all good.
Sage Napala:
I
keep a candle lit, it sends the good thoughts and the light
I said I would send for you. The sharing is appreciated. I cry
with you and smile as well. Many of us are going thru many assorted
hard journeys...I bid you to fare well on yours with all my
heart.
Wynsong:
So this journey has not
ended, but I've been distracted. Today, as I was exploring so
many aspects of what healing means to me, and what living means
as well.... I was taken back to old journals, long locked and
inaccessible...and old journeys... I was reminded that my eagle
showed up on my left, and that that warrior energy is on my
feminine side. I was reminded of me She Bear mother energy...of
an energetic battle that occurred with a wounded old male Lion
energy, because on of my young cubs had behaved inappropriately
and this lion's ego had been wounded...his suggestion was a
lifetime ban from representing the school in sports (over a
picture)... My she bear energy came out immediately, and decisively...
All she said, was...you do what you feel you need to do, and
then I will do what I need to do in response. Nothing got done,
and so the battle never reached the physical, but I remember
the energy of this roused she bear...she drove to Toronto that
day...and hours trip....I have no memory of the drive. I guess
what I'm saying is masculine may be the outward and thus embody
the warrior creed...and yet my experience is that some of my
most feminine aspects also can be outward...like birthing...and
involve a fierce warrior creed... Amazons come to mind immediately...as
does any nurturing mother in nature, and what she will do to
protect her young. Now the Phoenix energy, is more centered...and
it embodies both the masculine and feminine energy in its oneness,
for me.
Phoenix came with the soul journey
that brought back the mitochondria pieces...a matriarchal piece
of cellular organelles that has a two sided cell wall, one facing
outward, one inward, and between them they produce all the energy
of cellular activity. Again...Oneness of the masculine and feminine.
Munay Ki
CinnamonMoon:
I
love going back over old journal entries. They are such beautiful
mirrors for things that need to resurface as we run across them,
but also such a bright reflection on how much we have grown,
how far we have come, and how we use that knowledge today. I'm
happy you found these records to peruse and see yourself in
such beautiful balance.
Wynsong:
Thanks Cinn. I was reading
the Variance article....still not able to read anything that
long, but read bits throughout it, as they caught my eye...
As I read through yours and Paah's comments, I was surprised
by the 50-50 split comments, because finding or having one,
was never (in my memory, which is faulty at best) what I was
looking for...I'm looking for healthy, healed and balance...but
50/50 isn't a definition of that for me (I don't think).
That may be my Taoist training showing
up, because the yin and yang principle (it still surprises me
that when I write yin and yang, I start with the feminine, but
when I write masculine and feminine ...I always start with the
masculine)...anyway, that oddity aside..
the yin and yang were never expected
to be in fixed proportions, but flow...yin to yang ...yang to
yin, neither ever existing in exclusivity. The symbol of Taoism,
the flow between the 'two fishes' chasing each other, is the
best representation I've seen of it...you can follow the lines
with your finger and see how the energies flow into new proportions...sometimes
so yang as to almost exclude the yin, but as the yang expands,
there is the tail of the yin...that sliver (and vice versa)
...and of course in the maximum yin there is a dot, and island
of yang, and vice versa, and if you do the martial arts that
include the Tao, you get to experience that symbol not as a
2 dimensional disc, but as a 3 dimensional sphere...the key
to not being defeated, is to draw your opponent out of their
center, and then and only then exert yang or yin appropriately
to throw them...if they over extend their yang, you would quickly
move into yin with a redirective force (yang) to unseat them...and
vice versa... (I wonder if the Chinese have a symbol for vice
versa). And despite all that, my masculine had taken a beating
that is manifest on the physical, and my feminine, which has
acknowledged and honored power of her own, is not harmed at
that level. I sit with this and wonder, and so I have no doubt
that answers will be given when I need them, or it is appropriate
for me to have them.
I am starting to believe...that the
answer may be Joy... I'm sitting with that now, with my best
teacher who is also my best "in person" friend, an
ex-cop, a teacher, and an artist,
who I have watched live her Joy for some 25 years now...and
she grows in the doing of it daily....I forgot also devout Catholic
in that description, as I know for some people being Catholic
gets in their way of Living their Joy, but it only enhances
it for my friend. She is an angel for me so often...a gift from
Spirit...and our way of living our Faith, could not be more
at odds.. And an example of the Pagan and the Pope....maybe
a new story for me to explore... Anyway, I'm going with Joy...and
in this case, I believe my masculine can take the lead...to
help my feminine be less afraid of her Joy and begin to live
it. I, of course, have no idea if any of this is truth, it is
just what flowed in this moment.
Munay Ki
(chemo tomorrow, so I'll likely
be away again for a bit
and need to catch up later....I
pick up my mom today...on her 60th anniversary...my father is
such a giving soul and at the same time stubborn to distraction...he
will let my mom come and stay with me for a week, leaving on
his 60th anniversary...he will not come and stay at my "messy"
house to be with her on that date, nor will they stay near here
at a hotel... I love life, it is endlessly entertaining and
instructive)
CinnamonMoon:
(((Wynsong))),
may the chemo be gentle with you. I'll be holding space for
you. Yes, some of my articles (okay the majority of them) are
long. It's the writer in me and once I start I let it all flow.
It's okay that you skimmed it, and take it in bites, what you
need will come across. I can appreciate the yin and yang comparison,
and in all traditions there is something that addresses the
harmony between the two...I think when we speak of balancing
them harmony is what we're addressing...yin and yang addresses
the fluidity, the motion and there's beauty in that. Thank you
for pointing it out. We are so accustomed to perceiving balance
as a 50/50, level, equality with the way our social structure
is built around it...justice, measurements, proportions, but
when we speak of balance in the spiritual sense it's very different.
I think if you were to look at a couple, say a husband and wife,
you would see that in their interactions the balance is often
one holding space for the other, and yes, the feminine can be
active too, just ask Solar Crone...or any mother for that matter.
And
despite all that, my masculine had taken a beating that is manifest
on the physical, and my feminine, which has acknowledged and
honored power of her own, is not harmed at that level. I sit
with this and wonder, and so I have no doubt that answers will
be given when I need them, or it is appropriate for me to have
them. I am starting to believe...that the answer may be Joy...
What a
beautiful way to put it, yes, it is joy...in the heart...the
love that is joyful and it needs to be shared with the Self....you
can bet the Self is sharing it with the physical side of self.
You mention your lovely friend that you are contemplating this
with and that she is so different from you in her beliefs. I
can't resist sharing that my husband is Roman Catholic and he
once thought the differences between our beliefs were so vast
but they're not, it's merely the way we perceive things. When
I shared with him that he believed in the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit he acknowledged that fervently. And I asked him if he
believed that the Holy Spirit wasn't present in everything that
exists and he agreed it was.
So I then
shared that in my beliefs we are taught to SEE the Holy Spirit...to
see the breath of Spirit in the Wind, to feel it pass over us,
see it move things, watch it carry the moist air to bring the
nourishing rains. That when we hear the thunder and see the
lightning we see the intimate union of Mother Earth and Spirit
and their passions flow from soft and tender to wild and primal.
I explained how the elemental forces at play in life are the
stuff life is made of and it's not so different from what he
believes. My Spirit Keepers of the four elements are depictions
of his Archangels and both bear the same attributes. It was
enough of an example to open his mind to saying the same things
in a different language and he began to explore the language
of my path more (I knew his well LOL).
It wasn't
long before he was watching the Discovery and National Geographic
specials on Native spiritual beliefs with tribal members expressing
their views, he took it all in, saw the beauty, and decided
that's all it was, a different language, and a more personally
intimate relationship with the Living Spirit. You may want to
point that out to your friend and see where she takes it. We
are not all that different and there are more similarities than
one would think. Not in the dogma, I don't go there, but in
the foundational structures it's the same. There is a masculine
trinity and there is a feminine trinity...two triangles that
when brought into union create the diamond...As Above, So Below...the
Oneness completes itself. I'm glad you have this friend to physically
walk with you at this time. It is such a comfort to be able
to share our precious and intimate sacredness with someone.
I do not think that the Pagan and the Pope are all that far
apart, one could say the Pagan is the feminine and the Pope
the masculine, one more internal, the other more external. Both
walk well together if we make room for them to figure it out.
I'm happy to hear that your mother will be with you and while
your father may be stubborn I'm sure that he will be with you
in spirit, holding you in his thoughts and cradled in his heart.
He's a typical man of his age I think, set in his ways, but
ya gotta love 'em just as they are...the same unconditional
love they hold for you....and yes, that can be endlessly entertaining!
I wish you well, Wynsong, a gentle journey this round. Aho!
Wynsong:
My father has been more
able to express his love clearly through this, than at any other
time of his life.... My girlfriend has a personal relationship
with God that she accesses through Catholicism...and I'd love
to be a spider on the wall if any priest or pope told her she
wasn't allowed to go direct, but had to go through the middle
men....Let's just say, she'd do it with love and humor and maybe
art...and the male in question would never be quite the same
as he was before the encounter.
"one could say the Pagan is
the feminine and the Pope the masculine, one more internal,
the other more external." I was blown away by this description
of yours to my Pagan and the Pope comment...because it would
totally describe our relationship as it has been....but neither
of us is truly invested in
keeping it that way...and I'm learning
to live my joy more openly, and she is learning to allow others
to live theirs with more ease, as we grow older together. She
loves my practice...and allows it to be mine, but always when
she comes home from her journeys, her gift to me are stones
that called to her... The two trinities can also be overlapped
to form a star...some call it the Star of David, but before
it was called that, it was just called union....and the mathematician
in me, will use the set A set B over lapping to form a Set C
of union....the paradox of taking polar opposites (in appearance)
and blending the apparent boundaries of their differences to
create from two separate Mandalas, the Mandorla, or sacred in
my mind or at least ancient symbol of two circles coming together,
overlapping one another to form an almond shape in the middle.
And it is the basis of the wonderful shape they create to put
art into many old Christian churches of all denominations. I
love to be able to read, and sit and share....and Be .... Now...
Awake...Joyfull. Munay Ki and my deepest gratitude.
Sage Napala:
My
intent stays steady and strong for you as does the light to
illuminate yourself
Wynsong:
Thank you Sage... Now off
to get my mom... My love to you all, from this human form...
And Munay ki
Today's happenings...and as it always
seems...I have this kind of insight, and then I'm away from
my computer and won't be able to add to it for about 10 days....
As I did my circuit training today, I noticed as I left my townhouse
complex that the Moon, which I'd admired last night on my late
night walk, was still up...She was beautyfull and almost full
last night, and I spoke to her, and thanked her for being...and
this morning, she was still beautyfull, if somewhat less brilliant,
as the sun was fully up. The sky was completely clear, and as
I finished walking west towards the moon, I did a short walk
south, and turned East, into the glory of the Sun in all its
beauty in a clear sky...as I walked it felt like I was suspended
between their two energies...held perfectly in balance...and
I remembered a day a year or so ago, when I opened my blinds
to the Sun as it rose above the rooftops into my Eastern facing
windows, and the Moon in its fullness was setting in my Western
windows...and there was a point in my bedroom where I felt held
beautyfull between the two. . . I also was experiencing a cleansing
as I walked and realized that is was happening as I was suspended
between the sun which was still in the East, and the almost
full moon which was setting in the West.... (I had been encouraging
the energy to move towards the light...in my head, the Sun...when
I realized that I was being given light from both the Sun and
the Moon, and that the energy could choose which way it wanted
to go, as there was only light)
Their message seemed to be NOTICE...We
cycle like this often...and it is up to you to notice, when
we are both in the sky...Notice when you are equally positioned
between the Solar and the Lunar...It matters not which is rising,
or which is setting, but it matters that you are held by us
both...and often equally. As I walked my first circuit today,
I consciously opened to the 7 sacred directions...to let the
energies of each cleanse and heal as I was walking...and opening
my spinal cord up to new possibilities... It was yummy, and
I felt like an internal barrier I held was moved, shifted and
melted away.
Munay Ki
So, I got a chance to look the stories
that I create around what I've been calling the "healed
Masculine"....which, of course presupposes that the Masculine
I have known and that has the potential to have healed would
be the 'Wounded' Masculine...terms I've heard bandied about
for years now...especially within the shamanic courses and paths
I've walked. And I've American friends who claim this election
is about choosing between the old Wounded Masculine archetype
and the new Healed Masculine archetype.... Such polarity...
And I got to visit with a "healed" masculine in the
form of my teacher of the Wheel that I traveled...and friends,
woman of my generation...who walk with varying degrees of awareness...falling
all over themselves as they sought to create story about their
connection to this "healed" masculine energy.... which
of course, gave me a birds eye view of my own story creation
around that very issue. If the story I create is that the masculine
of the 50's...my dad's fathering generation... and of the 60's....my
ex-husband's generation, is a wounded version of masculine (and
I'm not arguing here either for or against that, as a premise)...
and that the stories I created around how the males with that
masculine energy connected with me...and I with them...or didn't
connect...then it follows that my connection to someone who
is doing masculine with a pretty solid connection to their feminine
side (what I may be labeling as the healed masculine, I can't
say for sure that is what I was thinking when I thought 'healed
masculine) could be at levels I was unable to achieve (at least
easily) with a masculine that didn't readily connect to their
feminine energy... (I'm guessing this is why many women of my
generation have said that every woman should have a gay friend...and
that we joke about the only 'good' men already have a boyfriend...).
So my teacher who is from the Western Coast of the USA, is here
in my little town, teaching a Master's Course from the path
I traveled... And it was fascinating to be back within the energy
of his eyes, and to watch the women in the course, and those
that came just for the fire...as they created and recreated
story around him, and then around each other... And, I was able
to just observe it...
To watch the energy flows, to allow
them to be, and to not create a story of my own. YES! That felt
like freedom... To not feel any compulsion to get into a story,
to create a story...to be a part of anyone else's story. Which
leads me to wonder at the polarity that I have used in my past
story creation, around the Wounded Masculine, and the path to
its healing...and the need for it to healed... And the Feminine...and
its victimhood...and the need for it to be healed and to create
a new Healed Feminine.... And the stories I've created at all...around
wounding and being wounded and in need of healing, growth, fixing...
AND I'm sitting with compassion for the "wounded",
"imperfect" aspects of my Self...and rather liking
what it feels like to not have the drama of having to be better.
Munay Ki
My American friends got their "healed
Masculine". It has been so long since I've come to this
thread, and given the conversations happening in the Sacred
Feminine, I felt I could balance what I transferred to my journal
from there, with what I had written here. I am sometime amazed
to read my own writing.... I was amazed to see the same stories
I told here, that I told in the Sacred Feminine. Maybe not so
far apart that they need to be separate...mmm Munay
CinnamonMoon:
*Soft
smile* I can't tell you how many times it's come to my mind
to combine the two forums since we put them up. Yet something
always stopped me. They are very different at times and at others
much the same; it seems as if you're finding that balance point,
Wyn!
Wynsong:
Between what you said here
((((Cinnamon)))) and what MonSnoLeeDra2 said in White Crow's
new post in "Walk" about being a wheel... And the
fact that I went to Tai Chi for the first time since I blew
out my back, and sat in Wave Hands as Cloud, which so holds
the energy of the Taoist symbol of Yin and Yang.... I'm feeling
today, the flow I spoke of several posts back in this thread...
Not a separation on linear terms, which my mind runs too, as
a cultural preference...but the sphere of swirling, merging
but not mixing (in the sense that the separateness is completely
lost in the muddying of the two) flow of one to the other...to
create the whole. I've a lot to think about, and more importantly
allow to sink into my tissues, and experience from the conversations
that have occurred here in the last two days.
My gratitude again to you, Cinnamon
and all those who support you in creating this safe space for
me to come to, to do my journey in the written word/world. Munay
And of course, this all opens up
a new remember for me... I am remembering a time just after
my ex left, when I was feeling particularly overwhelmed by all
i needed to do, and wanted help from my sons (then 17, 15, 12-3,
and 7) and I was, in my less balanced state, asking for their
help while making them feel terrible for the way that they did
not, and do not help...and as I am a skilled debater, I had
all my evidence of their lack lined up and ready to deliver....
And when I'd finished, I asked if I was wrong in my perception...if
there was something they were doing and I wasn't giving them
credit....The response was... Silence... Which set me off, because
it was how my ex had always avoided talking about anything ....
Silence... "I don't know what to say, Pen"... "You
may have a point, Pen"... He never engaged. Nothing ever
changed, except that I would have let go of some of the energy
that was spiraling around inside me, and could then find balance
in my unbalanced world again. I labelled it later, passive aggressive,
and I may or may not be right about that...it makes no difference...
My response to the silence was to ask if they truly had nothing
to say...if they didn't even care enough to answer me...for
now I see that I saw that lack of engaging as a sign I wasn't
worth the effort to engage with.... My eldest showed his bravery
that day... He said... "Mom, when you are like this, it
is really hard to answer you, because anything we say will have
no weight against what you've lined up to counter it. I have
things to say, but I am too overwhelmed to be able to say them
at this time." I cried.
I cried, because he cared enough
to be brave enough to face me down in my full "warrior"
(for lack of a better word) mode. I cried because he loved me,
enough to engage me, when engaging me was a scary thing to do.
He won that day, just by saying..."I see you, even if I
can't respond to you, I see you." I think that I've known
a lot of Warrior wannabes in my lifetime, and that I've never
actually met one who was willing to love me enough to face me
down. Maybe that doesn't make any sense. English leaves a lot
to be desired. My Dad can't hold an argument, because he gets
unreasonably attached to a point of view that can't be defended.
My ex, didn't engage...made him uncomfortable....My poor sons,
are always going to be my sons, so my position as 'Mom' makes
it difficult to take me on,
as an equal. My youngest did too...a few years back, over marijuana.
I'm against it....vehemently... My sons all engage. I caught
my youngest smoking up at age 12 (a joint he'd stolen from my
next oldest son). He was devastated and promised me he would
never do it again, EVER. I remember looking him in the eye,
and telling him, not to make promises that would be hard to
keep...that I'd accept a promise that he wouldn't for a year,
and that we would discuss it before that changed, but to promise
never, left him breaking a promise to himself, as well as to
me, and that that would be more damaging than smoking up, in
my eyes.
The next year, we discussed it,
and he again promised me a year. (he was still growing- and
he wanted to be tall, so my best sales point on abstention was
it interfering with the maximum height that his body might attain,
given he was poisoning it at the level of breath)... At age
14 and 6' tall, just before his 15th birthday, he informed me
that he would smoke up, if he wanted to, and the opportunity
presented itself. My arguments hadn't changed, he acknowledged
their validity...and he was going to do it anyway. I was so
proud of him. Not for the decision...I still think it sucked...but
for the ability to look me in the eye and disagree with a position
I'm very firm on. I admire the Masculine in any gender that
can do that...My best friends do it. (Doesn't come up much,
but when it does, the three of us disagree, and agree to do
so, and it doesn't affect the relationship, the respect, the
love at all). I've been looking for that in the Masculine all
my life... I think maybe, I'm just finding it now within myself.
MonSnoLeeDra2, I don't know if you
come here, but I see that same thing in you....and I'm so grateful
for having been given the opportunity to engage with you. To
learn more about who you are. To see a Warrior on a Warrior's
Path and recognize it, in its balanced form. Munay
MonSnoLeeDra:
wynsong7 wrote: MonSnoLeeDra2,
I don't know if you come here, but I see that same thing in
you....and I'm so grateful for having been given the opportunity
to engage with you. To learn more about who you are. To see
a Warrior on a Warrior's Path and recognize it, in its balanced
form.
Thank you for your kind words. But
I must insist on one point, one engages an opponent in the struggle,
one embraces and travels with a friend. I do not see an opponent
before my cyber eyes but one whose energy reminds me of a close
friend and travelling companion. That we may disagree on things
is of no matter in the greater scheme of things only that we
speak and return to speak again on anther day. Though I do freely
admit I am stubborn so the speak may be difficult at times,
but just as the sun rises each day to return to the landscape
so too will I.
Wynsong:
Between what you said here
((((Cinnamon)))) and what MonSnoLeeDra2 said in White Crow's
new post in "Walk" about being a wheel... And the
fact that I went to Tai Chi for the first time since I blew
out my back, and sat in Wave Hands as Cloud, which so holds
the energy of the Taoist symbol of Yin and Yang.... I'm feeling
today, the flow I spoke of several posts back in this thread...
CinnamonMoon:
*Soft
smile* Sometimes it's good to reveal our passions and perspectives
and look at those of others. I'm very happy for you Wyn, being
in the flow is a good feeling. There are times we just need
to let that carry us and float as we take in the landscape.
Sort of reminds me of a lazy, hazy summer day of pondering and
doing nothing in particular other than to let our thoughts wander
a bit and explore the world inside and out wherever we find
ourselves. Not a separation on linear terms, which my mind runs
too, as a cultural preference...but the sphere of swirling,
merging but not mixing (in the sense that the separateness is
completely lost in the muddying of the two) flow of one to the
other...to create the whole.
Nods. Separation...the
swirling and the dance in and out of it. That's part of what
drew me to follow Crow's lead and begin a new thread in WYT
too. I'm sure that will give you lots to munch on as well. I
got passionate.
I've
a lot to think about, and more importantly allow to sink into
my tissues, and experience from the conversations that have
occurred here in the last two days.
I think
we all do. I'm still letting the post in Crow's new thread sink
in before I discern if I can contribute or not.
My
gratitude again to you, Cinnamon and all those who suppport
you in creating this safe space for me to come to, to do my
journey in the written word/world. You are always so gracious.
I love the Lodge and all who comprise it deeply, and it is the
community that makes it what it is as much as anything I might
do.
We'll be
keeping it this way. Once again thank you for sharing, I love
reading your posts and watching you walk through your perceptions.
Wynsong:
I am technically challenged,
please ignore. I am so glad you came here, and read my thanks.
Thank you for your kind words.
But I must insist on one point, one engages an opponent in the
struggle, one embraces and travels with a friend. I do not see
an opponent before my cyber eyes but one whose energy reminds
me of a close friend and travelling companion. That we may disagree
on things is of no matter in the greater scheme of things only
that we speak and return to speak again on another day.
I laughed out loud when I read this, even while I acknowledge
with absolute conviction your feelings....I too felt companionship
as we discussed our differing viewpoints....but the English
language again is inadequate to the
task, or it is part and parcel with the cultural things I have
absorbed that I used the word engaged... When a man asks a woman
to walk with him through life, we call them engaged. Maybe that
is why we struggle so, in our culture with the relationship
that ensues...because we become engaged, as if with an opponent,
instead of embracing and travelling with a friend. Embracing
and travelling with a friend, is how I would describe how I
would want to be 'engaged', if I were ever to walk that path
again. So if it happens, I will call it something other than
being engaged. Thank you for that too. Though I do freely admit
I am stubborn so the speak may be difficult at times, but just
as the sun rises each day to return to the landscape so too
will I.
This in particular sounds very comforting.
MonSnoLeeDra:
When a man asks a
woman to walk with him through life, we call them engaged
That is one phrase or notion I refuse
to acknowledge or speak in that capacity. I always say they
are joined and united. To me to say one is engaged simply indicates
that at some time they will separate from the engagement. But
to be joined and united says to be together for a long time,
for we willingly join with something we find needed and want
to be with and unite always for the long haul of life.
Wynsong:
Somehow that does not surprise
me, MonSnoLeeDra2. I had never given the word any thought, just
accepted it. I will give it some thought from now on.
And factoring in a Wheel, I've no
idea whether this fits into the Masculine... but here goes.
MonSonLeeDra was wonderful and helped me understand his concept
of being a Wheel... and so I went to me journal, of course,
and sat with that... this is the result...and then a response
to my journal entry from one who knows me well. Munay July 14th,
2009, So His Version of Wheel Explained, and it makes perfect
sense in context of the way I tell my story. Which will be a
"damn it". In a room full of windows, most people
have to go to each one, and look out to take in what is outside...
I take it all in at once, from the center of the room. It is
exactly what happens when I'm reading something, or in a classroom....
I never get what the people beside me get from the movie, the
story, the person speaking...I get
tons more. I immediately start applying
what I'm taking in, to all that I already know...it is how I
learn. It is why I remember. It is how I operate in the world
as I perceive it. AND I hate being limited... So Spirit said...
COOL...not limits...take it all in. So MonSnoLeeDra, suggested
that I pull down some shades and rest... I have trouble doing
that, because, it feels like I'm limiting me. And you know what...
It is exactly what I need to do. I need to limit me, because
if I don't, then someone/thing outside of me has to. I need
to create my own Chaos, unbalance the energy of the Wheel as
it were, because if not, I'm always blaming someone else for
doing it...and I am not Co-Creating. I'm tired... and I'm going
to take myself up to bed...and rest, if not sleep. I've taken
muscle relaxants again, for the first time, in a long time.
Munay My friend's response...it made me laugh
and of course,
she sees me more clearly than I'm able to see myself. Munay
I've often found that with you and movies/books. I feel I've
enjoyed the movie or book and got something really cool out
of it. And when it's over, I take what I choose to take, and
instantly forget everything else about it, including the plot.
Generally I only remember how I felt about it and nothing else.
And then you talk about it in such vivid details and I wonder
if we even watched the same movie. You have lived it, and it
sticks with you. And maybe yes, you need to limit your brain
and your body a bit. Or the universe will do that for you. Maybe
I could try a few other windows on occasion. xoxo
So a new way of doing my journey...is
presenting itself. One in which I choose the limits, and which
shades to pull. One in which I create the chaos that feeds me,
and claim my creation.
Oy...no wonder I'm feeling tired.
Thankfully I have a bit of time off from work, but I'm moving
head long into possibly uprooting how I live my life, and where.
MonSnoLeeDra:
Ah Wynsong, That is the
masculine side of the warrior path. Analyze what stands before
you and impedes your progress and undermines your abilities.
Then to take that info and change your approach to turn the
negative to a positive trait and utilize it to make you more
balanced as you advance to your next encounter or engagement.
Don't leave it to another to create your reality but to make
your reality yours alone and control what enters and how. To
turn your weakness to a strength and to take the strength from
another and make it their weakness to be exploited upon the
field of battle. Yes I have modified my notion from the field
of armed conflict to the field of battle for many forms of battle
may occur.
Wynsong:
Thanks MonSnoLeeDra for
all your help in moving me along on this.
CinnamonMoon:
I
like this a lot! *Big smile*
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